Through this series of questions and answers by Dr. Lorraine Day, a basic truth is shown.

Q. Dr. Day, do you have a vendetta against the Jews?

A. No. I have no vendetta against the Jews. However, the self-proclaimed leaders of the Jews, the ones who most rank and file Jews accept as their leaders and spokespersons, do indeed have a vendetta against the “Gentiles” – the non-Jewish population of the U.S. and the world. In the “holiest” book of Judaismthe Talmud – it says, “Even the BEST of the Gentiles should ALL be killed.” How’s that for “hate-speech”? Who is prosecuting the Jews for hatred of Gentiles? No one! The Jews consider themselves to be victims - and are exempt from prosecution for “hate.”

I have many Jewish friends, and I even have blood relatives who are Jewish. A blood relative of mine is married to a Jewish spouse, and their children are half Jewish. Those half-Jewish children are my blood relatives. And I love them as much as the rest of my non-Jewish family.

Nothing can be considered a “vendetta” against anyone if it is the TRUTH!

The 8th Commandment says, “Thou shalt not lie.” (Exodus 20:16) Jesus said, I AM. . . the Truth.” (John 14:6) We are instructed by God to tell the TRUTH. Telling the truth is NOT a “vendetta.”

Are you aware that the leaders of the Jews have been responsible for having laws passed in Germany, Australia, Canada, and a number of other countries declaring a MANDATORY prison sentence (FIVE years in prison, in most cases) in addition to a huge fine, for even questioning the Jewish version of the “Holocaust”?

Just think - - - they have made it a CRIME to question history! Decent citizens are being put in prison for asking simple, direct questions about historical events! A few examples of those who have been imprisoned for questioning history are Ernst Zundel, Germar Rudolf, Robert Faurisson, Fredrik Toben – all imprisoned for “thought crimes” – all imprisoned for investigating the TRUTH!

If the Jews have made it a CRIME to question history, what are they trying to hide? And whatever happened to Freedom of Speech?

Q. Aren’t the Jews God’s “Chosen People”?

A. No. God loves everyone the same. No one is more special to Him than any other. The original Israelites (who were NOT “Jews” – they were just people who worshipped the God of heaven rather than pagan Gods) were “chosen” by God to exhibit God’s character to the world. However, they failed miserably! Instead of exhibiting God’s character, they became arrogant, proud, boastful, exclusive, self-centered, and corrupt, and believed they were superior to all other peoples – exactly as the present-day Jews have become. These are not the characteristics of Jesus Christ. They are the characteristics of Satan.

When Jesus was on earth, He confirmed this by saying to the Pharisees, Sadducees and Scribes and their followers (the spiritual – but NOT the genetic - ancestors of the present-day “Jews,”), “You are of your father, the Devil.” (John 8:44)

Those who today exhibit those same characteristics, the characteristics promoted by the Talmud – the “holiest” book of Judaism and the Jewish culture – have the same “father.”

Jews bash Christians continually in many ways, including making movies depicting Jesus as a homosexual, and putting a figure of Jesus in a bottle of urine and calling it “art.” But Jews are never held accountable for their crude actions.

However, whenever a Christian, or anyone else, tells the truth about Jews or Judaism, there is always the “howl” of anti-semitism. Jews admit that they smear those who tell the truth about the Jews by calling them anti-semites.

Q. Wasn’t Jesus a Jew?

A. No. Jesus was NOT a “Jew.” Jesus was – and is – God. And God is NOT Jewish. Jesus had no genes from His earthly father or His earthly mother – both of whom were NOT “Jews.” They were Israelites from the tribe of Judah. They were Judeans – or Judahites - defining the place they were born and/or the place of the temple (Jerusalem) where the presence of the God they worshipped, resided. (See “Who is Israel; Who is the Church”)

In addition, there is no such thing as an “ethnic” Jew. “Jewishness” is a culture, not an ethnicity. Judaism is a religion - not an ethnicity. Judaism is the religion of the Talmud – NOT the religion of the Old Testament. The Talmud is the “written down” version of the “traditions” of the Pharisees that Jesus so strongly rebuked, calling the Pharisees, “hypocrites, vipers, the synagogue of Satan, and ‘of your father, the devil.”

Q. I thought that today’s Christians are Judaeo-Christians.

A. The term Judaeo-Christian is a non-term – an oxymoron – a propaganda term. Judaism and Christianity are direct opposites. Christianity did not arise from Judaism. In fact, Christianity is the antithesis of Judaism. Jesus denounced Judaism (Talmudism – the “traditions” of the Pharisees) every time He was confronted by its leaders – the Pharisees, Sadducees, and scribes.

Q. What did Jesus say about Judaism (Talmudism)?

A. While on earth Jesus was constantly rebuking and repudiating Talmudism (which later became Judaism) as well as its leaders – the Pharisees, Sadducees and scribes. Jesus called them vipers and hypocrites. He said they were “of your father, the Devil, who was a murderer and liar from the beginning.” (John 8:44)

Q. Does God love those who now call themselves Jews?

A. Yes, God loves every person that He has ever created – but He loves them ALL the same. Everyone He has created is His child. He does not love the way many of His children are behaving, but He still loves ALL His children. God is going to change us all – through trials and tribulations - to be like Jesus. God loves the sinner, but He √ the sin! Everyone, including those who call themselves Jews, will “reap” the terrible carnage “they have sown” because “God will NOT be mocked!” (Galatians 6:7)

But it will not be to “eternal destruction.” The purpose of reaping what one has sown is to turn them back to right-doing (righteousness). That is what the “Judgment” is all about.

“Judgment returns to righteousness (right-doing).” Psalm 94:15

Judgment turns a person back to doing right.

When Thy judgments are in the earth, the inhabitants of the world will learn righteousness.” Isaiah 26:9

When the judgments of God are in the earth, the inhabitants of the world will learn to do right.

Q. Are you suggesting that God will eventually save everyone He has ever created? What about those who choose not to be saved?

A. You are presuming that your will is stronger than God’s will. If that is true, then God cannot do anything unless you let Him. It that is true, then you are the one telling God what He can and cannot do. That is blasphemy. That is the second lie of Satan in the Garden of Eden, “Eat of this tree and . . . you will be as god.”

God says He is “operating ALL according to the counsel of His Own Will.” His will - - - not our will! (Ephesians 1:11)

God is the Potter, and we are the clay. (Jeremiah 18:6) Just how much “free will” does clay have?

Q. Why is it so hard for people, especially Christians, to believe that God is great enough, kind enough, and smart enough to save ALL those He has ever created?

A. We see God through our own character. If you want to see your enemies punished, then you will see God as a punishing God. You become like the “God” you worship.

“My vision of God is dependent upon the condition of my character. My character determines whether or not truth can even be revealed to me. Before I can say, “I saw the Lord,” there must be something in my character that conforms to the likeness of God.” My Utmost for His Highest, Oswald Chambers, July 13

Until the Lord truly enters my life and changes my character, I can only see from the perspective of my own biases.

“Blessed are the pure in heart, for they shall SEE God.” Matt 5:8

(They shall understand God and His true character of love).

[Who is “Israel”?

First we must define the term “house of Israel.”



And he said, Thy name shall be called no more Jacob, but Israel: for as a prince hast thou power with God and with men, and hast prevailed. Genesis 32:28

When Jacob fought with the angel after Jacob had decided to give up his life of deception and tell the truth, his name was changed to Israel. Jacob had no change in his genes. The new name given to Jacob, now Israel, was a “spiritual” name that revealed that Jacob was now a child of God. He had peace with God and men. That is the meaning of the name of Israel. It was a spiritual change in Jacob – NOT a change in his ethnicity. Jacob did NOT “become a Jew.”

Others who also worshiped the One True God of heaven were also called “Israel - - ites.”

In Romans 9:8, Paul concludes by saying, "That is, they which are the children of the flesh, these are NOT the children of God; but the children of the promise ARE COUNTED for the seed."

Galatians 3:16 says: "Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He does not say, 'And to seeds, as of many, but as of ONE,' And to your Seed,' who is Christ."

Again Paul says in Galatians 3:29 "And if you are Christ's, then YOU ARE Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise."

The Bible defines Abraham’s seed as those who worship Jesus Christ. These are the true Israel of the New Testament.

Who are the “lost sheep” of the House of Israel.

In the parable of the lost sheep and the parable of the lost coin, both the sheep and the coin were found. Being “lost” was – and is - the prelude to being found. If someone is not lost, he doesn’t need to be found.

Only when a person recognizes that he is lost, does he wish to be found.

The promise of a Messiah was given to Adam and Eve, the parents of the whole human race. The Israelites – the believers in the true God – as opposed to the heathen nations (mistranslated “Gentiles”), were given many prophecies about the coming Messiah so they would recognize Him when He appeared

. He was the "seed of a woman" -- prophecy: Genesis 3:15 and fulfilled: Galatians 4:4. 


. He was a descendent of Abraham -- prophecy: Genesis 12:3 and fulfilled Matthew 1:1. 


. He was from the tribe of Judah – prophecy: Genesis 49:10 and fulfilled: Luke 3:33. 


. He was the heir to the throne of David – prophecy: Isaiah 9:7 and fulfilled Luke 1:32-33. 


. His birth place in Bethlehem – prophecy: Micah 5:2 and fulfilled: John 1:2, Luke 2:4-5, 7.


Born of a virgin – prophecy: Isaiah 7:14 and fulfilled: Luke 1:26-27, 30-31.

The duty of the Israelites was to share this information with the rest of the world – the heathen nations.

But instead, the Israelites became exclusive and arrogant and kept the information to themselves. They believed they were special to God – that they were God’s “chosen people” – not realizing that they were “chosen” to exhibit the character of God to the surrounding nations and to share with them the Good News of the coming Messiah and Savior – Jesus Christ – who came to be “the Savior of ALL mankind.” 1 Timothy 4:10

But instead, the Israelites kept these wonderful prophecies to themselves and believed that they were “chosen” to be above all other people, to rule over them, to make all others their slaves. By believing this deception, they became the followers of Satan, yet thinking they were following God.

While claiming to be righteous, they became so wicked that when Jesus came the first time as the Messiah, the leaders of the Organized Church of the day – the Pharisees, Sadducees, scribes and their followers – did not even recognize Jesus as the Messiah. In fact, they eventually called for His death by torture (beating, crown of thorns, slapping His face and ridiculing Him) and crucifixion.

That same evil attitude prevails in the Jews of today – the “cultural and spiritual” (but NOT physical) descendants of the Pharisees. Here is just a small sample of their vicious hatred of the non-Jews of the world.

Former Prime Minister of Israel, Menachem Begin, said the following:

“Our race is the Master Race. We Jews are divine gods on this planet. We are as different from the inferior races as they are from insects. In fact, compared to our race, other races are beasts and animals, cattle at best. Other races are considered as human excrement. Our destiny is to rule over the inferior races. Our earthly kingdom will be ruled by our leader with a rod of iron. The masses will lick our feet and serve us as our slaves.” Israeli Prime Minister Menachem Begin (1977-1983) (in a speech to the Knesset [Israeli Parliament] quoted by Amnon Kapeliouk, “Begin and the Beasts.” New Statesman, June 25, 1982).

This is not the isolated sentiment of one Jew. These horrible racist views of the Jews are found throughout Judaism’s “holiest” book – the Talmud – which contains the same false doctrines of the Pharisees of Jesus’ time that resulted in Jesus calling the Pharisees the “synagogue of Satan,” vipers, liars, hypocrites, and “of your father, the Devil.”

Nothing has changed in the last 2,000 years. The Jews of today are behaving in the same way as did the Pharisees of Jesus’ time.

The heathen nations (mistranslated “Gentiles”) were unaware of these Messianic prophecies and would not have been able to identify Jesus as the Messiah, so it was only reasonable that Jesus would come to the group that should have recognized Him. That is why He came to the “House of Israel.”

But the Israelites had drifted so far from God and God’s Truth and their hearts had become so hardened, in large part because of their arrogance and exclusiveness, that they did not even recognize their own Messiah.

And they murdered Him!

But why did Jesus come to the “lost sheep” of the House of Israel?

If a person is self-sufficient, if he believes he can run his own life, if he believes he has little or no need for Jesus to run every aspect of his life, then he does not recognize that he is “lost.” His misguided self-sufficiency blinds him to his own need.

Jesus said He came to:

“. . . seek and save that which was LOST.” Luke 19:10

“They that are whole need not a physician; but they that are sick.” Luke 5:31

Until a person realizes that He is “lost” without the Lord, until he recognizes his need for a Savior, he has no ability to understand who God is. He remains in darkness.

At the time that Jesus first came to earth, there were very few who were studying diligently and praying for the coming of the Messiah. Most were following the wicked Pharisees and their false doctrines of the “Organized Church” of the time – the synagogues – the counterfeit of God’s true followers.

God’s presence was in the Temple in Jerusalem, a place where no one except the Priests were allowed to enter. If anyone else entered, the penalty was death. The presence of God resided in the Most Holy Place of the Temple. So none of the TRUE followers of God “went to church.” They were not even allowed to go inside the building.

God was trying to show the Israelites that Christianity is NOT a religion. It is a personal relationship with Jesus Christ.

God’s presence does NOT dwell in “temples made with hands.” Acts 7:48; 17:24

The Bible tells us:

“Your BODY is the temple of God’s Spirit.” Corinthians 6:19

The enemies of Jesus Christ, those who would eventually cry out “Crucify Him” “Crucify Him,” were the leaders of the synagogues, the buildings where people went inside and sat down, the buildings that housed the counterfeit, false religion at the time of Christ. God’s presence was NOT in the synagogues. God’s presence was in the Temple before it was destroyed.

After the temple was destroyed, God said that His presence now dwells in us – His followers.

Conclusion: Jesus came “only to the lost sheep of the House of Israel” because the word “Israel” defines those who were truly looking for the First coming of the Messiah, Jesus Christ. And only those who recognized their need – their “lostness” – were able to understand that Jesus truly was the Messiah.

When those of the heathen nations recognized their need for a Savior, as did the heathen Canaanite woman with the demon-possessed daughter, they automatically became part of the “lost sheep of the House of Israel.”

Q. What did Jesus mean when He said to Peter, "On this Rock I will build My church." Mathew 16:18

A. The Catholic church claims that Peter, the disciple, was the first Pope, and was given the authority by Jesus to found what they refer to as the “true” church, based on the following Bible passage:

“He (Jesus) saith unto them (His disciples), But whom do you say that I am?

And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.

And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but My Father which is in heaven.

“And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter (petros = a stone), and upon this rock (petra = a large rock) I will build my ecclesia (mistranslated church) and the gates of the unseen (the grave – NOT “hell”) shall not prevail against it.” Matthew 16:15-19

The Word “Church” is NOT in the Bible

Let us first dispense with one issue. The word “church” does not appear in the Bible – even in the New Testament! The word consistently mistranslated as “church” in Greek is ecclesia. It does not mean “church.” It means the “Called ones” or the “Called-out ones.” It has essentially the same meaning as the “Chosen people” in the Old Testament and the “Elect” in the New Testament.

King James ordered the translators to improperly translate the word ecclesia as “church” for political reasons. The word ecclesia has no hierarchical implications. It just means “believers” with no suggestion of buildings, memberships, leaders or any organizational structure.

Next, the word Peter means Stone (even a rolling stone) – not Rock. Jesus is the Rock.

During the Exodus of the Israelites from Egypt through the wilderness, they were accompanied by Jesus, as it states in 1 Corinthians 10:4,

“And they did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them, and that Rock was Christ.”

But even more than Christ being the Rock – the foundation of His ecclesia, His followers - Christ would build His ecclesia on a specific principle – the principle that God would teach us directly.

After Peter declared that Jesus was “the Christ, the Son of the Living God,” Jesus said to Peter:

“. . . flesh and blood hath not revealed this to thee, but My Father which is in heaven. . . and upon this Rock (this Principle – the Principle that God – not man – will teach us directly) I will build My ecclesia.” Mathew 16:17

Jesus was proclaiming that His true followers would be taught directly by God – NOT by man – “flesh and blood.”

What is God's chosen method for imparting truth? Who is our Teacher?

God's plan at Mt. Sinai was that everyone personally hear the voice of God. The people's plan required God to initiate a complicated system of laws, rituals, and a human priesthood.

"These things have I written unto you concerning them that seduce you. But the anointing which ye have received of Him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in Him." 1 John 2:26,27

"If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, without finding fault; and it shall be given him." James 1;5

"And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams." Acts 2:17

God desired to speak to the people directly. See Ex:19:9

But the people were afraid for God to speak to them. Ex 20:18-21

Having rejected direct communion with God the people remained at a distance and looked for a human intermediary to impart moral direction. But the introduction of a human system to bring about the proper spiritual condition was useless to prevent sinning.

The Creator had offered to every member of the Israelite community the moral benefits of personal communion with God. But this invaluable blessing was rejected by the congregation. In order to preserve some contact with Divinity, the Lord instituted the Levitical priesthood. This priesthood was abolished as ineffective after Christ, through His death, resurrection and ascension, re-established direct teaching through the Holy Spirit.

Where did the people turn when Moses was gone for so long? Ex. 32:1 (Back to the Egyptian pattern of leadership.)

Individuals and groups demonstrate their rejection of direct communion with God by trusting humanity to authenticate truth. Read the tragic story in Exodus, chapter 32. The molding of the "Golden Calf" represents man's efforts to fulfill his responsibilities to God through commitment to a human structure.

Let the Lord summarize for Himself the flaw in the old covenant. In the book of Hebrews, the question is posed:

"For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second." And what is the second or new covenant? Is it abolishing the first covenant (the law)? No, it is putting the law into the hearts and minds of the people. Hebrews 8:7

"I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts." Hebrews 8:10

The people did not want to be challenged by direct contact with God, but they feigned allegiance by agreeing to submit to a human leader. But the Lord recognized that their words did not reflect the condition of their hearts. They were a people who drew near with their lips while in spirit they remained at a distance. See Deut 5:25,27-29.

The plan of the people rejected the Divine concept of direct teaching. The people opted instead to place their trust in a human agency and to make that agency responsible for their enlightment. Because of this arrangement the people did not experience the fear of God, and ALL but two of them, Caleb and Joshua, failed to reach the promised land.

How did such a concept of a superior humanity originate? What series of human initiatives set in motion the theory that the congregation is a mob knowing nothing? Where was it first established that spiritual perception was an innately possessed quality of those appointed by human decree? Matt 21:23 "And when He was come into the temple, the chief priests and the elders of the people came unto Him as He was teaching, and said, By what authority do you do these things? And who gave you this authority?"

It was the fallacious arrangement of the old covenant that led to Jesus being rejected as the Messiah. The Pharisees, "sitting in Moses' seat," directed the people to refuse the Light that had come down from heaven. The "leaven" of the Pharisees had distorted truth and made it error; yet the people still accepted their words as the very commands of God!

That same "old covenant" is practiced today, and there is no lack of those to covet "to sit in Moses' seat." People still commit their spiritual direction to human channels, and man-made authority is obeyed as the voice of God. In this age, human position and structure are honored as surely as the "Golden Calf." After bowing in respect to human councils, the people feel at liberty "to give themselves to revelry."

Conclusion:

The “Rock” on which God would build His ecclesia (His group of true followers) was Christ, and the Principle that Christ (NOT the “Organized Church”) would teach us directly. ]

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from a mind greater than my own on the subject of Deut. 32, Mike Heiser and I believe that from the Dead Sea Scrolls the Nun, Peh, Lamed, Mem are used in that verse rather than sons of God Benai Elohim hence the reason for my using it there. I should have stated that, sorry :

http://faculty.gordon.edu/hu/bi/Ted_Hildebrandt/OTeSources/05-Deute...

if a vid would help here it is:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kNSykoVOflo&feature=player_embedded

I think the part 7 of this series discusses the text and I have pasted that one above. The beginning of the series is here if anyone is interested.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E-W6c9a3ldQ&feature=player_embedded

As for the rest I through my reading here knew some may have difficulty in accepting my thoughts, that is why I asked you all to use your imagination to possible see something I do, if you could. If you cannot, that is ok. I am glad that no matter the reasons we come to a conclusion that the conclusion can be reached. Be blessed
"from a mind greater than my own on the subject of Deut. 32, Mike Heiser and I believe that from the Dead Sea Scrolls the Nun, Peh, Lamed, Mem are used in that verse rather than sons of God Benai Elohim hence the reason for my using it there. I should have stated that, sorry :"

Thank you for explaining. That is interesting if it is the case that it is nephilim and not b'nai Elohim in the dead sea fragment. Would like to look at the fragment itself, though finding that is not as easy as i might have hoped. It seems that it will soon be the case that those fragments will be made available for viewing by Google. Hopefully they will not be presented in an adulterated form.

http://timenolonger.ning.com/forum/topics/google-puts-dead-sea-scrolls
On Jerusalem and Israel, as I was studying this morning, the sermon on the mount, this verse caught my eye and reminded me of this discussion:

Mat 5:35 Nor by the earth; for it is his footstool: neither by Jerusalem; for it is the city of the great King.
that word King is this:
βασιλεύς
basileus
bas-il-yooce'
Probably from G939 (through the notion of a foundation of power); a sovereign (abstractly, relatively or figuratively): - king.

and the root of that word this:

G939
βάσις
basis
bas'-ece
From βαίνω bainō (to walk); a pace (“base”), that is, (by implication) the foot: - foot.

So we know YHWH was king of Israel before Saul, could it be that when Adam walked on the earth in the garden that YHWH's feet walked there with him and hence the preciousness of this ground?

Just thinking .
Interesting subject you bring up. It would also cause one to ask the question - where was Eden? Besides Jerusalem, the city from which He will reign and Eden, the home of the first of humanity, there are two other locations which are named as very important to Him. Sinai, the mountain where the law was given and Tsiyown, His holy "mountain". Jubilees gives an idea of how these places are arranged.

"And he knew that the Garden of Eden is the holy of holies, and the dwelling of the Lord, and Mount Sinai the centre of the desert, and Mount Zion--the centre of the navel of the earth: these three were created as holy places facing each other. And he blessed the God of gods, who had put the word of the Lord into his mouth, and the Lord for evermore. And he knew that a blessed portion and a blessing had come to Shem and his sons unto the generations for ever"

Jubilees 8:19-21


There is good evidence that Tsiyown refers not to a natural mountain but a structure known as the Great Pyramid.

http://timenolonger.ning.com/forum/topics/the-cornerstone-of-tsiyown

The location of Sinai should perhaps not be assumed to be in the so-called Sinai peninsula. A mountain which fits the description as far as even having a fire scorched summit sits in Saudi Arabia. A practical place to find Eden, then, when including the rivers mentioned in Genesis would be where the Eastern Mediteranian is now extending to the Gaza Strip, (perhaps this can be said to be a factor in why it is so coveted a region). making Israel the eastern portion of where Eden was.

 No ,I do not But I must ask, who owns the media in this country ?.....................

Who allows the filth ?...........................

Who is telling the news to lie about everything all the time ?......................

Who controls ALL media ?..............................

We all know the answer do we not ? Who are these people ?...............

Seeking answers with love. Kenny 

Why am i the only one here ?

Kenneth you are not the only one here.  Just the only one present at that moment.  We are all here in the same place faced with the same possibilities.  I see from your words, you are making the right choices and not taking sides in this.  The trick is there are two sides, chose.  And we are not choosing any sides, only YHWH's  truth.  That is enough.

and on a more practical note:

The way the site works is these discussions are posted permanently in a thread that we can all access at any one time and add to comment about and so on..  At the bottom of the page you see this Main Room and Members online.  In the Main Room all members online can talk in actual time.  You can click on a name and open another private chat room for you and that member also.  Hope this clarifies things about why you find yourself all alone, I think I read what you meant.  Peace Bets

Hi Kenneth,

I will answer, if i can.

"who owns the media in this country ?.....................

Who allows the filth ?...........................

Who is telling the news to lie about everything all the time ?......................

Who controls ALL media ?..............................

We all know the answer do we not ? Who are these people ?..............."

The ruling families who do own these things and do direct the trends and opinions of society have been doing so since even before the flood, since before there was an Israel or a Judah.

They were not described as tyrants and bullies and fellers for no reason. They were, and their descendants still are, invested in being the "kings of the earth" as scripture calls them.

These were the nephilim and their "blue blood" family lines still regard themselves as fundamentally, genetically superior.

When looking at the families who carry surnames with "Jewish" roots, we can't be so quick to accept that this is what we are really dealing with. Many of these individuals come from European stock which took on the Babylonian form of so-called Judaism and the names which went with that. It is a very effective way of diverting blame and confusing the public.

Messiah chose out Israel specifically to retain a nation and a bloodline which was wholly human and from which Messiah could be born. He chose Judah in particular out of all the tribes. The origin of that concept in YHWH's plan is directly opposed to the notion that true Israel and true Judah are the bloodlines of the ruling controllers.

The subject is further confused by the nation/ state of Israel. This is a political entity which was not founded for the benefit of Israelis at all. Those that have established it have also been guilty of funding Nazi Germany's attempt to destroy both Jews and Christians. The Jewish people who have come to that land are in a position to be used and perhaps destroyed as well by the Rothschild bid for supremacy of YHWH's land and His people.

Thanks for your reply,.......It baffles the mind that the blue bloods (seed of Cain ?) have kept their tight grip

on humanity, no doubt  with Satans help. Sadly, he is the god of this world.(as the Word tells us)

All you have said is truth. I know these things, But some of it fall in the cracks  so much is happening so fast.

Reading Prophecy is one thing; watching it being fulfilled before your eyes is another. I'm overwelmed sometimes I guess.So much information ya' know ?

I've researched this and lots more over the years .30 + I just do not communicate very well Iguess (ha,ha )

Chem trails......................vaccinations..............Trilateral commission.............Biulderburg ? ................counsel on foreign relations

Trans humanism.............UFO'S(fallen angles).......Area 51.............hybrids(fellers ?)

GMO'S............................new world order.................skull&bones...........................Bohiemian club......................Masons

flouride in our water......Anti Christ..................Vatican......................Petrus Romanus(the last pope)

earth changes.............. Nibiru.......................Zombies ?.......................Cannibals ? and the list goes on and on.

MK Altra , Montauk.  the Jason group.....................etc.

My point is that all the people I talk to, but a very few think I'm completely mad.

They are completely clueless,  How can a whole nation be so utterly blind ? the strong delusion ?

It's very frustraiting ya' know  well,  Peace to you and yours. and thank you for your insight.  Kenny.

i agree!  On the question of whether or not the Powers That Be are the 'seed of Cain'... just wanted to make a point about that theory.. the Serpent Seed/Seed of Cain idea is a counterfeit theory to the true explanation.  The truth, which is described in 1Enoch as beginning with The Watchers who fell in the days of Jared, tells a different story of how The Nephilim came to exist.  The Cain theory supposes that Cain was the offspring of Satan; however, the Bible states he was not.

Below are a few links to articles on the site.  The first is about The Watchers, the second is about the Ruling Controllers, descendants of The Nephilim, and the third explains the difference between the Serpent/Cain Seed theory and the events described in 1Enoch and The Bible.

Peace in Yahushua

http://timenolonger.ning.com/forum/topics/category-introduction-the-2

http://timenolonger.ning.com/forum/topics/category-introduction-the-1

http://timenolonger.ning.com/forum/topics/of-serpent-seeds-and-biased

well, Bean, not everyone thinks that, but ok.  I happen to know and believe both stories.  I don't think that the adversary would have let the seed of the eth Ha Adam stay pure.  It was obvious to him that the seed was a part of the plan and he wanted to destroy the plan, ha ha. Like he could.  Not wanting to debate, just state that statements like the one above are best followed with IMHO, IMHO, that is. lol  And I don't think the blue bloods think or are the seed of Cain, but the Nephil kings purest blood line and most likely there is not many if any non fallen angelic blood drops here on earth.  In fact the bride in Zechariah has to be cleansed of evil blood.  It talks of taking it right out of their cheeks, like a dna swab. Read the whole of it, but chpt. 9: the verse:Zec 9:7 And I will take away his blood out of his mouth, and his abominations from between his teeth: but he that remaineth, even he, shall be for our God, and he shall be as a governor in Judah, and Ekron as a Jebusite.

I don't personally subscribe to the Cain theory and the article i wrote which Bean gave a link to on the Serpent Seed doctrine explains the basics of why i don't agree with it. I'm not a big fan of debate either...so I won't argue those points here but i do believe in giving my reasons for coming to the conclusions i have... so if you have any questions, Kenneth (or anyone else), on the what and why of my beliefs concerning the nephilim..i will be more than happy to explain or address that.

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