i was wondering about blood in meat how are you able to get it all out since it isn't kosher and was also wondering about fat of animals are we not suposed to eat that also?

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Thank you for looking into this...and no I'm not deleting anything......must be a glitch I guess.

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My Wife and I are both Native American..she's Mohican and I'm Cherokee. This is the way we were taught to butcher our meats.

Now You mentioned salting the meat,..here is how we go about it; after the butchering is done,..(Bleed-out and washed) we seperate the various cuts....(steaks, loins...ribs,...and GP cuts) and then do we soak the meat in iced water with 1 cup of sea salt per gallon of water. We soak it for 24 hours....give or take and hour or two.  This pulls out any and all remaining blood and cholestrom fluids from the meat. Now this water is changed (drained and refilled) every time it becomes dark red stained.  That normaly takes 3 to 5 hours per soak. Thats why I said 24 hours give or take.  This cold salt brine also helps to break done the tissue and tenderizes the meat.

As far as organs and fats...we do not consume them. My Wife will save the fat at times to render for making Lye soaps..but other than that we dont keep them.......to cut down on roaming predators I will normally burn the left over organs,..backbones and such and of course the fats.......we save the hides for scraping and then salt them and roll up for storage until its needed for tanning.......Tanning is a long Pain in the rear to accomplish....but so is anything a person does if he does it natural......alot of work!.

Anyway...it seems that we were taught to correct method by our elders.....

Thanks for responding Cyprium

Cyprium said:

Hello M...i apologize that i missed your post. Oddly, your last response didn't show in the latest activity either. Are you, perhaps, deleting them from your profile page? If not, i assume it's a technical glitch and hopefully we can get that resolved.

In standard kosher butchering, the animal’s carotid arteries, jugular veins, and windpipes are severed in one cut and blood drained, as you said. The organs are inspected for any sign of disease and blood vessels and connective tissues like tendons are removes as well as the outside layer of fat (not the marbling fat throughout the meat though). Salt can be applied to make certain all blood is removed.

The concept of the blood being pured back into the ground and never consumed by humans is rooted in the scriptural explanation that the blood contains the life of the beast and the life belongs to YHWH. The prohibition of the outer fat layer is rooted in the law that certain fat was dedicated in burnt sacrifices.

Some of the precautions such as salting are not mentioned as necessary in scripture and are just the result of orthodox Jews following the "better safe than sorry" rule.

@ Jacob...Blood should be visible if it's in packaged meat...if what you are seeing is the watery pink substance, that isn't actually blood. You can salt any meat you get to be sure if it helps.



Cyprium said:

Vaccines and antibiotics are normally to blame for causing the gut to actually lacerate and leak components of undigested food into the system which is toxic. Grain components, which are hard to digest can be very toxic when they aren't. Gluten leaks through, among other things, and leads to gluten allergy symptoms. The first things hit are the thyroid, the reproductive system and the brain. The effect on the brain often comes as Autism in young children.

Would that be due to the mercury in vaccines, or are there additional problems beyond mercury?


Here is the list of ingredients for past seasonal flu shots. There are often ingredients added on a yearly basis so it may not be complete for the new season.

haemagglutinin - Blood agglutinator (causes blood to clot)

squalene - a hydrocarbon compound found naturally in shark liver oil, though squalene used in vaccines is usually a synthetic polymer. Used to intensify immune response, this was the determining factor in a disorder known as Gulf War syndrome. Symptoms include headache, dizziness, digestive ailments, auto immune disorders, fatigue, cancer, birth defects, joint and muscle pain and varied neurological problems.

DL-a-tocopherol - A synthetic form of vitamin E which instead of acting as a nutrient, extracts nutrients out of bone and soft tissue.

polysorbate 80 - A polyethoxylated (having the properties of a detergent) emulsifier. Is potentially mutanagenic, causes reduction in fertility.

Octoxynol 10 - A surfactant and also used as the active ingredient in spermicides. Serious reproductive damaging effects, mutanagenic.

Thimerosal - A mercury compound used as a preservative. Toxic to nearly every major organ, bone marrow and central nervous system. Can cause peripheral neuropathy (causing a tingling, itching or numb sensation), skin discoloration, swelling, sweating, tachycardia, hypertension, rashes, loss of hair, photo-sensitivity, renal failure, insomnia, memory impairment and autism in children.

Sodium chloride - table salt. Perhaps the safest ingredient in the vaccine, though injected can aggravate hypertension.

Disodium hydrogen phosphate - A sodium salt of phosphoric acid used as an anti caking agent. Can cause irritation at injection site, vascular damage, abdominal pain and intestinal upset.

Potassium dihydrogen phosphate - A Soluble salt used as a fertilizer, fungicide and pesticide. Can degrade to toxic oxides in certain ph environments. Causes local pain and irritation at injection site.

Potassium chloride - A metal halide salt of potassium and chlorine. Used as the active ingredient in lethal injection execution and also as a fertilizer. Damages heart, can cause sudden cardiac arrest, the reason it is used for lethal injection.

Magnesium chloride - Ionic halide salt used as coagulant, de-icer and animal feed additive. May cause allergic reaction resulting in anaphylaxis. - http://timenolonger.ning.com/forum/topics/what-is-in-the-seasonal-flu

 There are many highly toxic ingredients in vaccines besides mercury, but we know that when mercury can leak through the gut, it has access to the bloodstream and from there it breaks through the blood/brain barrier, attacking the central nervous system. Males are normally much more succeptible to this breach of the blood/brain barrier than females


Terry L Thompson said:



Cyprium said:

Vaccines and antibiotics are normally to blame for causing the gut to actually lacerate and leak components of undigested food into the system which is toxic. Grain components, which are hard to digest can be very toxic when they aren't. Gluten leaks through, among other things, and leads to gluten allergy symptoms. The first things hit are the thyroid, the reproductive system and the brain. The effect on the brain often comes as Autism in young children.

Would that be due to the mercury in vaccines, or are there additional problems beyond mercury?

I have to wonder what happened to "do no harm"?

The original Hippocratic oath-

"I swear by Apollo Physician and Asclepius and Hygieia and Panacea and all the gods and goddesses, making them my witnesses, that I will fulfill according to my ability and judgment this oath and this covenant:

To hold him who has taught me this art as equal to my parents and to live my life in partnership with him, and if he is in need of money to give him a share of mine, and to regard his offspring as equal to my brothers in male lineage and to teach them this art — if they desire to learn it — without fee and covenant; to give a share of precepts and oral instruction and all the other learning to my sons and to the sons of him who has instructed me and to pupils who have signed the covenant and have taken an oath according to the medical law, but to no one else.

I will apply dietetic measures for the benefit of the sick according to my ability and judgment; I will keep them from harm and injustice.

I will neither give a deadly drug to anybody if asked for it, nor will I make a suggestion to this effect. Similarly I will not give to a woman an abortive remedy. In purity and holiness I will guard my life and my art.

I will not use the knife, not even on sufferers from stone, but will withdraw in favor of such men as are engaged in this work.

Whatever houses I may visit, I will come for the benefit of the sick, remaining free of all intentional injustice, of all mischief and in particular of sexual relations with both female and male persons, be they free or slaves.

What I may see or hear in the course of the treatment or even outside of the treatment in regard to the life of men, which on no account one must spread abroad, I will keep to myself holding such things shameful to be spoken about.

If I fulfill this path and do not violate it, may it be granted to me to enjoy life and art, being honored with fame among all men for all time to come; if I transgress it and swear falsely, may the opposite of all this be my lot."

As you can see, it begins with an oath to pagan deities. This is because a fallen angel who was deified founded the art of Pharmakeia. This article details where the science of sorcery came from: http://timenolonger.ning.com/forum/topics/an-angel-named-armoni

Terry L Thompson said:

I have to wonder what happened to "do no harm"?

They actually name Greek gods?! I can see why it is not taken seriously

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