There is a relatively commonplace confusion among many believers and non-believers alike that stems from being misinformed about the dynamic of Messiah with Father and Spirit as being, literally, One. I have heard quite a few adamanent statements by fellow believers, even, who doubt this Oneness, and believe a "doctrine" of seperateness of Father and Son (something I don't doubt is doctrine in one or more church)...despite what is blatantly said in Scripture.

"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with Yahuwah, and the Word was Yahuwah." (John 1:1, KJV, True Names punched in)

"I and My Father are One." (John 10:30, KJV)

You would think that would be enough for believers in question about the matter. ..straight out of the mouth of the Master Himself...

I suppose His Self as Father, Son, and Spirit can be hard to comprehend for corrupted flesh beings, used to only what their perceptions have allowed to this point. Afterall, who comprehends Him perfectly other than Himself? However, compare the very human design to this concept: You, who are reading this, posess both physical flesh body and spirit, yes? Are these different entities? Of course not, they are "you". Contemplate the fact that Man is made in the image of YHWH, and admit the fact that He is beyond the scope of full comprehension of all created beings.

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Good points Jonathan...i always find it interesting that so many who object to Messiah being One with the Father will call it a pagan tradition and liken it to paying homage to three Elohim instead of one, yet that is Exactly what would be the case if we regard Father and Son as separate entities..multiple Elohim.

for I am Yahuwah your 'Eloah, the Sacred One of Yisra'el, your Savior. I gave Mitsrayim for your ransom, Kuwsh and Seba in your place. Since you were precious in My sight, you have been honored and I have loved you. Therefore I will give men for you and people for your life. Do not fear for I am with you. I will bring your descendants from the east and gather you from the west. I will say to the north, 'Give them up!' and to the south, 'Do not keep them back!' Bring My sons from afar and My daughters from the ends of the earth, everyone who is called by My name whom I have created for My splendor. I have formed him, yes, I have made him." Bring out the blind people who have eyes and the deaf who have ears. Let all the heathen be gathered together and let the people be assembled. Who among them can declare this and show us former things? Let them bring out their witnesses that they may be justified or let them hear and say, "It is truth." "You are My witnesses," says Yahuwah, "and My servant whom I have chosen, that you may know and believe Me and understand that I am He. Before Me there was no 'El formed nor shall there be after Me. I, even I, am Yahuwah and besides Me there is no savior! - Isaiah 43: 3-11
This topic is the root of the Jehovah Witnesses error in doctrine, but sadly many other Christians have a hard time grasping the subject. Yahushua is the author of Creation, and Yahushua is the Physical Embodiment of YHWH. YHWH is Spirit. We live in the material world. In order for YHWH to come and really teach and walk among us He had to be in some Physical Form so our flesh eyes could see. Also, Yah's sacrifice on the cross could not have been completed unless He had a Material Body. The bible as a whole says very clearly who Yahushua is. Let me post a couple verses that help me understand....

Genesis 1:1 - In the beginning Elohim created the heavens and the earth.

John 1:1-4 - In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with Elohim, and the Word was Elohim. All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being. In Him was life, and the life was the Light of men.

Romans 8:29 - For those whom He foreknew, He also predestined to become conformed to the image of His Son, so that He would be the firstborn among many brethren

Colossians 1:15 - He is the image of the invisible Elohim, the firstborn of all creation.

I believe a very good way to view the subject is to imagine Yahushua as an author at a desk writing a book. And halfway through the story He has written, He decides to write Himself into the story. Thus being outside the story and in it at the same time. He is One, just in two different places.

Nice post Jonathon....

Exodus 3:7 - YHWH said, "I have surely seen the affliction of My people who are in Egypt, and have given heed to their cry because * of their taskmasters, for I am aware of their sufferings.
Ty, you two. It is Truely Awesome to contemplate our Creator, and hear of every form He chooses to do His Work.

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