The Breaking of Ouroborus

[Cyprium]

There is a theme here at this site, reflected in the title and a number of images used throughout, which refer to time or a circular continuity thereof. The background theme shows a Nautilus spiral, the logo which has a backdrop of a ring can be viewed in its original form on my own profile is shattered by a bolt of lightning in one particular area...representing the idea of time literally being "no longer". All of this has a certain point of reference which i will explain here.

In Ecclesiastes an interesting observation is made which probably doesn't often get mulled over in terms of being a literal statement.

"That which has been is what will be, that which is done is what will be done, and there is nothing new under the sun. Is there anything of which it may be said, "See? This is new"? It has already been in ancient times before us. There is no remembrance of former things nor will there be any remembrance of things that are to come by those who will come after. " - Ecclesiastes 1:9-11

This is a very enigmatic statement which is understood in a mostly figurative way by readers now in pertaining to the shortsightedness of humankind and their tendency to repeat the mistakes of the past...but it doesn't really read as a figurative statement, does it? It has already been in ancient times before us...there is no remembrance of former things.

Satan is no simple-minded creature. Iv' e often heard it asked among believers how Satan continues to war against the Almighty knowing full well that he can not win..or at least having every reason to know full well that he can not. It begs an answer...because he is not without great intellect and because he has had enough experience in knowing the nature of his Creator to understand the magnitude of the power he is up against, there must be a plausible reason that he has some hope (a deluded hope though it might be) of achieving his goals to usurp His position.

What Satan realizes and has realized since the moment that YHWH cursed him and predicted his downfall, is that there is an inevitable finale to his existence and the only way to have a chance of bypassing this finale was to somehow circumvent the process of time entirely. You might be tempted to automatically say "that's impossible...the Creator would not let him do that." but we can't dismiss the fact that the Creator has allowed the freedom of his creation to choose to act upon good or evil in whatever their capacity is to do so. This does not mean that such a measure...or any measure, no matter how grand, can ultimately defeat His will...but sinful beings can try.

Time travel and dimensional travel was, not so long ago, an entirely fringe notion to most people...the stuff of science fiction. It is now receiving public attention by such esteemed scientists as Steven Hawking, who brought up the CERN LHC as an example of how real time travel might be achieved. I would suggest that the LHC was built precisely for this purpose however, and not a foremost effort to locate the Higgs Boson. Time travel has been achieved decades ago in the aftermath of an incident with a ship called the USS Eldridge and the Philadelphia experiment. In the process of what was done to further experiments like this it was found that a loop was created between the dates of exit and re-entry which linked those time frames together like a circuit until the equipment which perpetuated the experiments was destroyed. It was a small time circuit of only about 40 years...but this leaves us with the knowledge that such a loop could be created between two points of time that were vast millennia apart.

A massive time loop which connects the introduction of sin to creation with the last viable moments of Satan's reign of freedom on Earth in a cycle which repeats itself (endlessly, Satan would hope) is not as crazy of an idea as it might seem. It is a concept represented over and over again from antiquity to this day and a symbolism which is held in high importance by the Luciferian elite. Circular time which rebirths itself at the end of it's turning is observable in the real phenomenon of precession of the equinoxes in which the sun rises throughout the ages at precise zodiacal points at the vernal equinox, preceding slowly in a circle as if it were the hand of a giant, cosmic clock. Upon the knowledge of this celestial activity are such ancient time keepers as the famed Mayan calendar established.

The repetitive time cycle is represented by an apt symbol...the Ouroborus. This symbol shows a serpent or dragon which is coiled in on itself in a circle and is devouring its tail. Satan, as we know..is the serpent or the dragon and this symbol is a reference to what he has to do with time and the repetition of it. It is known as the symbol of eternal return and it and a similar representation of the same, a spiral, can be noted as persisting to this day in that strange, hieroglyphic language of symbols that appear as common logos for companies, institutions and agencies which the elite control.

An Egyptian description of what Ouroborus is was written on a sarcophagus chamber like this..."A serpent is entwined by a serpent. The male serpent is bitten by the female serpent, the female serpent is bitten by the male serpent, Heaven is enchanted, earth is enchanted."

This is the demented hope of fallen angels..that they will ensure the continuation of time in a loop which bypasses all accountability for their actions and at the same time keeps the Earthly domain which was sold under sin in their possession. What they did not account for was Messiah and His intervention in the manner which He did, doing what had never before been done in His act of sacrifice. This introduction of a truly New thing by necessity changes the landscape of a time-state which can not in it's intended purpose produce utterly new events.

If such a notion as a forced recycling of ages is understood in the magnitude of what it means scripturally...this means that the intervention of Messiah and the end of the age not only mean the redemption of saved individuals from a sinful world and the end of sin..it means the final cessation of time itself as it is now known...the cessation of a corrupted chronology. The New Heaven and the New Earth would be creations within a new definition of what time means...eternal, never returning to it's beginning but stretching out in unending progression of perfection.

This is why i look forward to the day when there will be "time no longer".

[Cyprium]

That's right..the number 40 is related to a trial or a punishment or correction...and interestingly also to water. When you ask if these things (Yahushua's fasting and temptation, the flood, etc) are connected to the time loop that occured during the Philadelphia/Montauk experiments...i can only answer that i'm sure of it, but i don't know the full nature of the connection. I'm sure of it based on the fact that nothing happens randomly and that the numbers which coincide to events have a meaning, but the specific connection, i am certain, is one that goes down the rabbit hole many, many levels. We might at least make the rudimentary connection to the fact that the experiment was initiated on water (a ship was used).

Uncool Sam said:

It was a small time circuit of only about 40 years...but this leaves us with the knowledge that such a loop could be created between two points of time that were vast millennia apart.
Document Deep Sleep 2.pdf Page 138
“Including ours,” replied Gates. “We have spent the last 40 years seeing – and preparing for – a Coronal Mass Ejection and a catacylsmic flood.

You are a part of that vision, Mr.President. There is nothing we can – or will – do differently. Our course was set in stone 40 years ago.”

Does the number 40 relate to a period of 'trial'?
Do these 40 years have any connection to the number 40 (Mt 4:2) where Jesus had to fast for 40 days & 40 nights and the (Gen 7:12) 40 days and 40 nights of rain during the times of Noah ?

Ex 34:28 And he (Moses) was there with the LORD forty days and forty nights; he did neither eat bread, nor drink water. And he wrote upon the tables the words of the covenant, the ten commandments.

[Seeker]

WOW. Wow. This is so lucent!

[Cyprium]

He does have it all recorded and i do think that we will have all that revealed to us...the only things that get "erased" are our deadly transgressions because of our faith in Yahushua.

Here is the break down of "time no longer" from the Greek:

chronos - time

ou - not, not

eti - yet, still
1) of a thing which went on formerly, wheras now a different state of things exists or has begun to exist, etc.

 

Music can exist "before" time or exist in an eternal progression of it.

Sin and unrighteousness might seek to perpetuate repeating time if it would hypothetically circumvent a final judgment.

[Sinclair]

Chronos was the Greek god of time and there was another god called Aion who was the personification of eternity or forever. It does sort of seem like those deities refer to this idea. Chronos had a serpent's body.

[Seeker]

Man...I needed this today...reminds me of a dream I had in my teens...I was on a space ship...stark and white and time was shown to me this way, circular and repeating, returning to the same point, rolling like a drum within a drum.  In the dream I also remember seeing large red velvet curtains, like something in a grand victorian opera house or theater.  Behind this curtain was a man in long robes of gold and white, looking for all the world like a pope.  But he was on strings like a puppet.  Had no idea back then what these images could possibly mean.  Makes a little more sense now.

[Cyprium]

Wow...that's a really interesting dream, Charlene... perhaps YHWH was showing you some things that He knew would lead you to question this world's system and learn who and what was "pulling the strings" out there.

[Prodigal Son]

Who would He forfeit His reign to? I am not sure that there is any biblical evidence that He gives up His reign to anyone else. I do not personally believe He will, but that He will continue to be the King who rules from New Jerusalem with His redeemed people.

Tabitha McCourt said:

I thought maybe it did. Aion is that where Aeon/age comes from? It is from this Greek word that some believe that IEUSHUO does not reign forever but actually forfeits his reign completely at the end of one thousand years. What is your take on this "temporary reign" idea?

[Prodigal Son]

Aionion seems to be a Greek word that reflects the same idea as Hebrew "Olam". An idea of time past the vanishing point. It speaks to a sort of indefinite  future that is beyond human comprehension or ability to have expectations of. It does not directly designate "forever" but there is no word which really does in the same sense of the English word "forever"/

Tabitha McCourt said:

I thought maybe it did. Aion is that where Aeon/age comes from? It is from this Greek word that some believe that IEUSHUO does not reign forever but actually forfeits his reign completely at the end of one thousand years. What is your take on this "temporary reign" idea?

[Cyprium]

"And there shall be no more curse: but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it; and his servants shall serve him:
And they shall see his face; and his name [shall be] in their foreheads. -Revelation 22:3,4 "

I think these verses can lend some insight to that. Here, as in other verses of Revelation, we see the throne of Elohim and the Lamb being depicted as One. "His" name will be in their foreheads.  The reign of the Son and the reign of the Father are not separate concepts really and though some theorize that the Son forfeits His reign to the Father at the end of 1,000 years, i think these verses show that there is no actual division.

[Cyprium]

In scripture and particularly in Revelation, the term "kings of the Earth" are in reference to the ruling powers of the nations. We can see the modern inference to those who are currently pulling the strings behind the global system. While nations ruled by an outward monarchy are mostly a thing of the past... royalty is hereditary and the families which have ruled, still do in this world.

The favorable implication of the last mention in Revelation of the "Kings of the Earth" might be in reference to those who do come out of the way of the world and are redeemed from among those ruling families. They submit their own glory to the One True King.

Messiah will be the only true King then, i think...but will He allow there to be appointed magistrates in various nations during the Millennial Kingdom? It's possible...

[Kevin Wells]

Very interesting and engrossing these ideas on the nature of time and the reality that the Most High can easily manipulate time. Manipulate is perhaps the wrong word in relation to what the Creator of time itself might choose to do with His creation. Manipulate is a better choice for what man might seek to do with time or also what Satan might seek to do. An intriguing (at least for me) idea about the nature of the present is the assertion that since nerve impulses travel at around 300 mph, when we touch ourselves on the hand, by the time we feel that touch it is already in the past. Thus when we consider any thought that we may think, those thoughts are ever in the past or lost in time somewhere.

In Quantum Field Theory there is an idea of the holographic universe. Many have erroneously taken that idea and added the spin of the concept of the holodeck as seen depicted the Star Trek saga. According to these scientists it is not like that at all. They assert that the concept of consciousness might be like that of a lens interpreting a holographic universe. Given that the mechanics of how a holographic image is created are whatever they are and they involve multiple lasers in their creation and recreation, it is shown that while the image may be halved numerous times and literally cut into pieces, when those pieces are used to recreate the original each single piece contains all of the data of the original! It is only smaller relative to the percentage used of the original image.

If we apply this concept to the what our Lord said when He told us. "If you have seen me, you have seen the Father", then the Lord when He walked the earth was a complete and fractal representation of the fullness of God Almighty.

Moreover what the same scientists have said is that time is much like a movie strip with many possibilities between the beginning and end. Somehow what they assert and show mathematically is that although the end may be set, there are true choices that may be made throughout which will inevitably affect all other portions of the past present and future and yet the end will remain the same somehow. A difficult concept to wrap you mind around let alone explain so forgive me for not doing the idea justice. Scripture does seem to support it however. There is the scripture that says that the die may be cast into the lap but the Lord decides the end thereof. Also the scripture which says the the Lord wrote the end before the beginning and the scripture which says that which is, was and will always be.

So this takes my mind to the idea of predestination and the TULIP proposed by Calvin. I do not personally subscribe to these notions. Deep in my bones I feel like the basic question of divine love depends and demands that there be such a thing as free will.

Finally I believe that people often miss something about God and that is that He is infinitely more than Everything He has created. Luciferians especially I think do not realize that light does not need darkness to be defined as light. They think that the concept of duality is something that they can depend upon because they can see it in nature. They are wrong.

I have often said that just because God knows the choices that each of His creatures is going to make before they make them, they are no less choices...

[Sinclair]

True statement. The most effective lie of darkness is of its independent significance. your whole comment reminded me of this: http://timenolonger.ning.com/forum/topics/the-sovereignty-of-yhwh

Kevin Wells said:

Finally I believe that people often miss something about God and that is that He is infinitely more than Everything He has created. Luciferians especially I think do not realize that light does not need darkness to be defined as light. They think that the concept of duality is something that they can depend upon because they can see it in nature. They are wrong.

I have often said that just because God knows the choices that each of His creatures is going to make before they make them, they are no less choices...