Why You Can't "Take Back America"
Elections.. when the E-word makes its rounds through the circuits of the so-called Conservative, along on its arm often arrives the well-groomed battlecry "Take Back America".. and they're quite the pair. Mr Election.. a big spender with all your patriotic dreams on a string.. and Miss TBA - she's a real knock-out in her sparkly Freedom frock and Bill-Of-Rights sash as she smiles and laughs and stamps her foot, announcing that "We need to take back this country!"
A nice couple.. or so it would seem.
November 2nd is Election Day for many in the United States.. and the electricity of Mr. Election and the emotionalism of Miss "Take Back America" stride full through throngs of voters who deem themselves "Conservative Christian".. Patriotism flares high, and Victory and Defeat will both make obligatory appearances by the end of the show.. and over the next two years as we draw nearer and nearer to that prime 2012 Presidential Election Day, amidst the ebb and flow of all else worldly, from today forward, there will be more and more appearances made by the captivating Mr Election and the empassioned Miss "Take Back America".
This country's government has now been long-touted as an originally Christian inception.. an ideal that was set up to be Good and Right.. a ruling system that glorified the Creator, and gave liberty to those who were oppressed by the ungodly. For all most are taught.. the United States was founded on principles rooted in solid Christian soil.
There are large active organizations of Christians, and so-called Christians, who have chosen to stand under banners of loyalty that range from Constitutionalism to Patriotism, and everything purportedly "Conservative" in between.. and there are large active, if less refined, organizations of self-styled 'truth-seekers' and 'alternative' news groups. And there is the Ron Paul Camp.. and there are the Tea Partiers.. the Libertarians.. and the Constitutionalists.. there are those who only vote Pro-Life and those who only vote Republican. Politically, for Believers today, there is just about everything.. and it's all wrong.
This is a plea for reason and sanity - a call to mental arms.
Over the next two years, while the concern of the people around you vascillates between the Presidential Election, the Stock Market and Earth's latest disaster, please recall that our Savior warned of a Beast System which would encompass the worldly leadership and populous who do not abide in Him. In light of that truth, consider these facts as you make your way through them, and remember that "Greater is He that is in you than he who is in the world."
Fact 1: Your Individual Presidential Election Vote Does Not Count.
"The Electoral College consists of the popularly elected representatives (electors) who formally elect the President and Vice President of the United States."
"The election for President and Vice President is not a direct election by United States citizens."
"Electors are free to vote for anyone eligible to be President.."
"The Twelfth Amendment provides for each elector to cast one vote for President and one vote for Vice President."
"Numerous constitutional amendments have been introduced in the Congress seeking to alter the Electoral College or replace it with a direct popular vote; however, no proposal has ever passed the Congress."
"Even though the aggregate national popular vote is calculated by state officials and media organizations, the national popular vote is not the basis for electing a President or Vice President."
wikipedia - electoral college US
Surprised? So was I, in 9th grade Civics class, when we learned about something called the "Electoral College".
So how are you supposed to 'Rock the Vote' when your vote doesn't even count? The answer is - You Aren't. It was not meant for your vote to count.
Fact 2: The Original Constitution was Nullified - "The US is a Corporation"
This fact is summed up by Lisa Guliani.
"Don't point to that beloved parchment, the Constitution, as a symbol of your enduring freedom. It is representative of a form of government which seemingly no longer exists in this country today. The Constitution has been thrown out the window, the Republic shoved aside and replaced with a democracy. The thing is; most people in this country remain unaware that this is so because they simply do not know the truth — what lies beyond the myths. Your so-called government is not going to tell you, either.
To even begin to understand what has happened to the Republic, we must look backward in time to the period following the Civil War. We must go back to the year 1871 [...]
So, let's roll backward into the past for a moment. It is time we learned what they didn't teach us in school. It is far more interesting than what they DID tell us. I think you'll stay awake for this lesson.
The date is February 21, 1871 and the Forty-First Congress is in session. I refer you to the "Acts of the Forty-First Congress," Section 34, Session III, chapters 61 and 62. On this date in the history of our nation, Congress passed an Act titled: "An Act To Provide A Government for the District of Columbia." This is also known as the "Act of 1871." What does this mean? Well, it means that Congress, under no constitutional authority to do so, created a separate form of government for the District of Columbia, which is a ten mile square parcel of land.
What??? How could they do that? Moreover, WHY would they do that? To explain, let's look at the circumstances of those days. The Act of 1871 was passed at a vulnerable time in America. Our nation was essentially bankrupt — weakened and financially depleted in the aftermath of the Civil War. The Civil War itself was nothing more than a calculated "front" for some pretty fancy footwork by corporate backroom players. It was a strategic maneuver by European interests (the international bankers) who were intent upon gaining a stranglehold on the neck (and the coffers) of America.
The Congress realized our country was in dire financial straits, so they cut a deal with the international bankers — (in those days, the Rothschilds of London were dipping their fingers into everyone's pie) thereby incurring a DEBT to said bankers. [...]
There has to be some sort of collateral or some string attached which puts you and me (the borrower) into a subservient position. This was true back in 1871 as well. The conniving international bankers were not about to lend our floundering nation any money without some serious stipulations. So, they devised a brilliant way of getting their foot in the door of the United States (a prize they had coveted for some time, but had been unable to grasp thanks to our Founding Fathers, who despised them and held them in check), and thus, the Act of 1871 was passed.
In essence, this Act formed the corporation known as THE UNITED STATES. Note the capitalization, because it is important. This corporation, owned by foreign interests, moved right in and shoved the original "organic" version of the Constitution into a dusty corner. With the "Act of 1871," our Constitution was defaced in the sense that the title was block capitalized and the word "for" was changed to the word "of" in the title. The original Constitution drafted by the Founding Fathers, was written in this manner:
"The Constitution for the united states of America".
The altered version reads: "THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA". It is the corporate constitution. It is NOT the same document you might think it is. The corporate constitution operates in an economic capacity and has been used to fool the People into thinking it is the same parchment that governs the Republic. It absolutely is not.
Capitalization — an insignificant change? Not when one is referring to the context of a legal document, it isn't. Such minor alterations have had major impacts on each subsequent generation born in this country. What the Congress did with the passage of the Act of 1871 was create an entirely new document, a constitution for the government of the District of Columbia. The kind of government THEY created was a corporation. The new, altered Constitution serves as the constitution of the corporation, and not that of America. Think about that for a moment.
Incidentally, this corporate constitution does not benefit the Republic. It serves only to benefit the corporation. It does nothing good for you or me — and it operates outside of the original Constitution. Instead of absolute rights guaranteed under the "organic" Constitution, we now have "relative" rights or privileges. One example of this is the Sovereign's right to travel, which has been transformed under corporate government policy into a "privilege" which we must be licensed to engage in. This operates outside of the original Constitution.
So, Congress committed TREASON against the People, who were considered Sovereign under the Declaration of Independence and the organic Constitution. [...]"
The US is a CORPORATION by Lisa Guliani
Feeling betrayed yet?
Fact 3: You Are Traded on the US Stock Exchange by the US Corporation
"Here's something you were NEVER told when you were a kid, nor where you told when you grew up and started work. At birth, every human being is registered as a corporation. Your Birth Certificate is a business
license. You National Insurance (SSN/SIN in USA) is your bond account - if you have one, you're being traded on the stock exchange.
When currency went off the gold standard, it had to have something of value to back it, i.e. collateral.
That object of value that replaced the gold standard is the citizens of the country, their life time of labour has value.
Your social security is actually a security bond, of value. Human beings are chattel, traded as a commodity like livestock.
Your birth certificate is actually a business license. A corporation was created with your name when your birth was registered.
You and everyone else actually have an entry in the stock exchange. (the value of) Humans are traded back and forth.
When the Chinese make a loan to the US, the interest they are paid back is the value of all those human corporations.
The value is based on your lifetime of labour contributing to the economy.
By the time you're forty years old, the security bond named after you
has a value numbering in the millions of dollars."
Human Commodities of the Corporate Chess Masters by Mike Philbin
Feeling cheap yet?
Fact 4: You Can't Take Back America
Hopefully the small amount of preceding information has left you disillusioned and you are starting to wonder what terms like "Old Glory" and images like the "Statue of Liberty" really mean - since it's clear that none of it is Your Freedom. As believers, we are called to learn and understand the truth of a matter.. and without any of the above sad facts, with nothing other than a bible, any believer could discover the truth that the United States Government, and any other political organization in the world, had its beginning in sin and will have its end in it as well.. and that no one who claims loyalty to Messiah should have a place in any of it.
You can't take back this country because this country never belonged to 'we the people'.. no organized political system in control of any landmass has ever been the property of or governed by 'the people'.. and no amount of voting or petition-signing can bring back something that was never lost. This country has never changed hands, and never will until the day Messiah returns and establishes His physical reign on Earth.
Our Creator was our governing ruler until the day politics overtook Israel.
"..I will set a king over me like as all the nations that are about me.." Deuteronomy 17:14
Was this a good idea? But many believers have fallen into thinking that by political activism they can accomplish a righteous rulership on Earth.. even though our Savior has told us that all the Earth's rulers would give their strenght to the false Messiah. Revelation 17
Most would believe there are "elements" of corruption within government.. but that the "heart" of the government is "pure".. that deep down inside Uncle Sam just wants what's best for you. But governing bodies other than the Most High, have been wicked from the start and instead have only ever had their own best wishes for themselves.. an insurrection that hopes for total world control.
Before The US.. before Israel.. there were the days of Jared when the 200 rebel Watchers came down and enslaved mankind.. before the Watchers there was Satan.. and Satan started with the first two human beings.. and hasn't stopped since.
Think about your real agenda as a believer on Yahushua and the next time you see Mr Election or Miss "Take Back America".. ask yourself if a worldly government is something worth fighting for or if loyalty to your Savior is something worth dying for.
"These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world." John 16:33
A nice couple.. or so it would seem.
November 2nd is Election Day for many in the United States.. and the electricity of Mr. Election and the emotionalism of Miss "Take Back America" stride full through throngs of voters who deem themselves "Conservative Christian".. Patriotism flares high, and Victory and Defeat will both make obligatory appearances by the end of the show.. and over the next two years as we draw nearer and nearer to that prime 2012 Presidential Election Day, amidst the ebb and flow of all else worldly, from today forward, there will be more and more appearances made by the captivating Mr Election and the empassioned Miss "Take Back America".
This country's government has now been long-touted as an originally Christian inception.. an ideal that was set up to be Good and Right.. a ruling system that glorified the Creator, and gave liberty to those who were oppressed by the ungodly. For all most are taught.. the United States was founded on principles rooted in solid Christian soil.
There are large active organizations of Christians, and so-called Christians, who have chosen to stand under banners of loyalty that range from Constitutionalism to Patriotism, and everything purportedly "Conservative" in between.. and there are large active, if less refined, organizations of self-styled 'truth-seekers' and 'alternative' news groups. And there is the Ron Paul Camp.. and there are the Tea Partiers.. the Libertarians.. and the Constitutionalists.. there are those who only vote Pro-Life and those who only vote Republican. Politically, for Believers today, there is just about everything.. and it's all wrong.
This is a plea for reason and sanity - a call to mental arms.
Over the next two years, while the concern of the people around you vascillates between the Presidential Election, the Stock Market and Earth's latest disaster, please recall that our Savior warned of a Beast System which would encompass the worldly leadership and populous who do not abide in Him. In light of that truth, consider these facts as you make your way through them, and remember that "Greater is He that is in you than he who is in the world."
Fact 1: Your Individual Presidential Election Vote Does Not Count.
"The Electoral College consists of the popularly elected representatives (electors) who formally elect the President and Vice President of the United States."
"The election for President and Vice President is not a direct election by United States citizens."
"Electors are free to vote for anyone eligible to be President.."
"The Twelfth Amendment provides for each elector to cast one vote for President and one vote for Vice President."
"Numerous constitutional amendments have been introduced in the Congress seeking to alter the Electoral College or replace it with a direct popular vote; however, no proposal has ever passed the Congress."
"Even though the aggregate national popular vote is calculated by state officials and media organizations, the national popular vote is not the basis for electing a President or Vice President."
wikipedia - electoral college US
Surprised? So was I, in 9th grade Civics class, when we learned about something called the "Electoral College".
So how are you supposed to 'Rock the Vote' when your vote doesn't even count? The answer is - You Aren't. It was not meant for your vote to count.
Fact 2: The Original Constitution was Nullified - "The US is a Corporation"
This fact is summed up by Lisa Guliani.
"Don't point to that beloved parchment, the Constitution, as a symbol of your enduring freedom. It is representative of a form of government which seemingly no longer exists in this country today. The Constitution has been thrown out the window, the Republic shoved aside and replaced with a democracy. The thing is; most people in this country remain unaware that this is so because they simply do not know the truth — what lies beyond the myths. Your so-called government is not going to tell you, either.
To even begin to understand what has happened to the Republic, we must look backward in time to the period following the Civil War. We must go back to the year 1871 [...]
So, let's roll backward into the past for a moment. It is time we learned what they didn't teach us in school. It is far more interesting than what they DID tell us. I think you'll stay awake for this lesson.
The date is February 21, 1871 and the Forty-First Congress is in session. I refer you to the "Acts of the Forty-First Congress," Section 34, Session III, chapters 61 and 62. On this date in the history of our nation, Congress passed an Act titled: "An Act To Provide A Government for the District of Columbia." This is also known as the "Act of 1871." What does this mean? Well, it means that Congress, under no constitutional authority to do so, created a separate form of government for the District of Columbia, which is a ten mile square parcel of land.
What??? How could they do that? Moreover, WHY would they do that? To explain, let's look at the circumstances of those days. The Act of 1871 was passed at a vulnerable time in America. Our nation was essentially bankrupt — weakened and financially depleted in the aftermath of the Civil War. The Civil War itself was nothing more than a calculated "front" for some pretty fancy footwork by corporate backroom players. It was a strategic maneuver by European interests (the international bankers) who were intent upon gaining a stranglehold on the neck (and the coffers) of America.
The Congress realized our country was in dire financial straits, so they cut a deal with the international bankers — (in those days, the Rothschilds of London were dipping their fingers into everyone's pie) thereby incurring a DEBT to said bankers. [...]
There has to be some sort of collateral or some string attached which puts you and me (the borrower) into a subservient position. This was true back in 1871 as well. The conniving international bankers were not about to lend our floundering nation any money without some serious stipulations. So, they devised a brilliant way of getting their foot in the door of the United States (a prize they had coveted for some time, but had been unable to grasp thanks to our Founding Fathers, who despised them and held them in check), and thus, the Act of 1871 was passed.
In essence, this Act formed the corporation known as THE UNITED STATES. Note the capitalization, because it is important. This corporation, owned by foreign interests, moved right in and shoved the original "organic" version of the Constitution into a dusty corner. With the "Act of 1871," our Constitution was defaced in the sense that the title was block capitalized and the word "for" was changed to the word "of" in the title. The original Constitution drafted by the Founding Fathers, was written in this manner:
"The Constitution for the united states of America".
The altered version reads: "THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA". It is the corporate constitution. It is NOT the same document you might think it is. The corporate constitution operates in an economic capacity and has been used to fool the People into thinking it is the same parchment that governs the Republic. It absolutely is not.
Capitalization — an insignificant change? Not when one is referring to the context of a legal document, it isn't. Such minor alterations have had major impacts on each subsequent generation born in this country. What the Congress did with the passage of the Act of 1871 was create an entirely new document, a constitution for the government of the District of Columbia. The kind of government THEY created was a corporation. The new, altered Constitution serves as the constitution of the corporation, and not that of America. Think about that for a moment.
Incidentally, this corporate constitution does not benefit the Republic. It serves only to benefit the corporation. It does nothing good for you or me — and it operates outside of the original Constitution. Instead of absolute rights guaranteed under the "organic" Constitution, we now have "relative" rights or privileges. One example of this is the Sovereign's right to travel, which has been transformed under corporate government policy into a "privilege" which we must be licensed to engage in. This operates outside of the original Constitution.
So, Congress committed TREASON against the People, who were considered Sovereign under the Declaration of Independence and the organic Constitution. [...]"
The US is a CORPORATION by Lisa Guliani
Feeling betrayed yet?
Fact 3: You Are Traded on the US Stock Exchange by the US Corporation
"Here's something you were NEVER told when you were a kid, nor where you told when you grew up and started work. At birth, every human being is registered as a corporation. Your Birth Certificate is a business
license. You National Insurance (SSN/SIN in USA) is your bond account - if you have one, you're being traded on the stock exchange.
When currency went off the gold standard, it had to have something of value to back it, i.e. collateral.
That object of value that replaced the gold standard is the citizens of the country, their life time of labour has value.
Your social security is actually a security bond, of value. Human beings are chattel, traded as a commodity like livestock.
Your birth certificate is actually a business license. A corporation was created with your name when your birth was registered.
You and everyone else actually have an entry in the stock exchange. (the value of) Humans are traded back and forth.
When the Chinese make a loan to the US, the interest they are paid back is the value of all those human corporations.
The value is based on your lifetime of labour contributing to the economy.
By the time you're forty years old, the security bond named after you
has a value numbering in the millions of dollars."
Human Commodities of the Corporate Chess Masters by Mike Philbin
Feeling cheap yet?
Fact 4: You Can't Take Back America
Hopefully the small amount of preceding information has left you disillusioned and you are starting to wonder what terms like "Old Glory" and images like the "Statue of Liberty" really mean - since it's clear that none of it is Your Freedom. As believers, we are called to learn and understand the truth of a matter.. and without any of the above sad facts, with nothing other than a bible, any believer could discover the truth that the United States Government, and any other political organization in the world, had its beginning in sin and will have its end in it as well.. and that no one who claims loyalty to Messiah should have a place in any of it.
You can't take back this country because this country never belonged to 'we the people'.. no organized political system in control of any landmass has ever been the property of or governed by 'the people'.. and no amount of voting or petition-signing can bring back something that was never lost. This country has never changed hands, and never will until the day Messiah returns and establishes His physical reign on Earth.
Our Creator was our governing ruler until the day politics overtook Israel.
"..I will set a king over me like as all the nations that are about me.." Deuteronomy 17:14
Was this a good idea? But many believers have fallen into thinking that by political activism they can accomplish a righteous rulership on Earth.. even though our Savior has told us that all the Earth's rulers would give their strenght to the false Messiah. Revelation 17
Most would believe there are "elements" of corruption within government.. but that the "heart" of the government is "pure".. that deep down inside Uncle Sam just wants what's best for you. But governing bodies other than the Most High, have been wicked from the start and instead have only ever had their own best wishes for themselves.. an insurrection that hopes for total world control.
Before The US.. before Israel.. there were the days of Jared when the 200 rebel Watchers came down and enslaved mankind.. before the Watchers there was Satan.. and Satan started with the first two human beings.. and hasn't stopped since.
Think about your real agenda as a believer on Yahushua and the next time you see Mr Election or Miss "Take Back America".. ask yourself if a worldly government is something worth fighting for or if loyalty to your Savior is something worth dying for.
"These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world." John 16:33
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Instead of watching the returns, for our school lesson, we watched "The Boogie Man: the Lee Atwater story" to see exactly how politics in America is run. The fact that the politicians treat us as if we were infants is only made worse by how often "we" fall for their dirty tricks, spin doctors and out right lies. An example: the Bush camp ran ads saying Dukakis had not voted for a strong defense, citing bill after bill that had gone through the Congress that he had not voted for. Well no, he never was a member of Congress, he entered the race from the platform of Governor. Some one stated in the film he had the eyes of a cold blooded killer, and he did.
Here is a discussion of the film : http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/atwater/etc/synopsis.html
Poor ol Lee even tried to spin his redemption. It seems at the time he learned of the massive brain tumor in his head he sent someone out to buy a Bible. He talked about forgiveness and repentance for the whole time of his tragic grasping at healing. But his wife said as she gathered up his belongings she found that Bible, still wrapped in its protective plastic covering. So sad.
The film was our citizenship study for this week. It was more of a lesson of what a good citizen should not do: involve themselves in any kind of political agendas.
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i didn't know Lee Atwater's story until reading the PBS discussion but it certainly is a fitting piece in the 'raise money by selling emotional paintings' mosaic set down by the PTB.
i found this particularly interesting - "They explain in Boogie Man how Atwater's keen attention to the concerns of middle-class Americans helped him identify issues to which his Democratic opponents were often tone deaf." - i also agree that 'keen attention to the concerns of the middle-class' has been properly exploited by politically-motivated groups since Atwater's time.
"Says Atwater intimate Tucker Eskew, "Resentment became the future of the Republican Party."
"Eskew says Atwater knew how to control media narratives. "Now it's kind of rote in politics, but Lee was saying early: Perception is reality. He was ahead of his time."
"In 1985, Lee Atwater, the man who taught Karl Rove and George Bush Jr. everything they know about political hatchet work and the dark art of manipulating the masses, joined [Charlie] Black's lobbying firm within months after serving as deputy campaign manager in the 1984 Reagan-Bush campaign. Black and Atwater went way back."
"In 1975, with Terry Dolan and Roger Stone, Charlie Black was a founder of the National Conservative Political Action Committee (NCPAC), which used deceptively written direct mail solicitations to bankroll television ads smearing Democrats in congressional campaigns in the Reagan era." article @ bradblog.com
"John T. (Terry) Dolan - CNP Board of Governors 1982, member 1984; died of AIDS 1986; Catholic; co-founder and national chairman of the 300,000 - member National Conservative Political Action Committee (NCPAC); director, Conservatives Against Liberal Legislation (CALL); [...] Terry Dolan stated that the secret of fundraising is to try to "make them angry and stir up hostilities. The shriller you are, the easier it is to raise funds. That's the nature of the beast." article @ seekgod.ca (organized info on self-proclaimed messiah Sun Myung Moon exploits, CNP, so-called "Christian" groups etc.)
the shrill hostility of resentment has become the norm now for so-called Conservative/Christian groups.. it does bring in a lot of money.. but it builds something so much more sinister in the hearts of every person who donates - and every person who doesn't donate but does believe in 'the cause'.. this is where the real hurt is happening in this country (and no doubt by various means in all others).
underneath all the elite at the top of the politics pyramid, are the teeming masses - for the 'conservative' side there is 'The Right" - which is predominantly populated by those who probably truly believe on Messiah for their salvation, but have allowed themselves to emotionally buy into the hype that the USA is a country founded on Christian values - and therefore must be restored to her "Old Glory".. and it's at such a height now i dread imagining the weight of pre-election forces as we near the 2010 election.
for this article i chose three of what should be the most base level disturbances to any believer who had become snared in political mentalism and activism because the truth, as we know, is that there is only one way for this country or any other country to be delivered and that is to turn like Ninevah to the Almighty.. it would be so good to see the people who have become casualties of the political war of words also turn and accept that every earthly kingdom belongs to Satan and the only real redemption lies in Messiah.
instead of wasting time fighting a fake political war believers are called to redeem the time by waging spiritual war.. living and sharing the gospel in true liberty.. uncovering and sharing the truth in love.. what an assault that would be.. can you imagine what the world would be like if every believer was led in one accord by His Spirit instead of being trampled underfoot by the enemy.. i think that could start a real revolution.
Bets i'm glad to hear you're not in political bondage =) the 'citizenship study' sounds interesting.
hopefully as we move forward through the next 2 years, among other things, there will be a rise in believers who will share facts and make cases for the real truth and more and more will be set free by His Word.
Yahushua asked "..of whom do the kings of the earth take custom or tribute? of their own children, or of strangers?" Peter answered "Of strangers." Yahushua said to him "Then are the children free." (Matt 17:25-26)
there are no 'sides' to government and no believer legally owes anything to the beast system running the countries through those governments..
we owe our Savior everything however.. an amount impossible to pay, including our eternal lives.
hopefully Mr Atwater, somewhere deep inside, repented and accepted Yahushua in the end.. it's good to know at least it is possible with such a forgiving and merciful Creator.
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Probably one of the most damaging tactics the enemy has ever used inside the Christian camp when it comes to this is the supposed "commandment" in Romans to be obedient to civil authority. The letters of Paul do not contain new commandments, only ones reiterated which Yahushua spoke first. Furthermore, the insistence toward obedience deals with powers and authorities not stated to be civil magistrates at all.... they are spiritual authorities.
It is seriously upsetting to me to find articles by "Christians" who declare that it is a Christian duty to be obedient in any and everything the government deems law...even if it's paying income tax directly to fund elective abortion. Does it make sense that the Creator will hold those guiltless who knowingly supplied money to end an infants life because it was "the law"?
As for voting... why should it ever be ok to vote for any evil..lesser or not? Our battle is entirely in the realm of the spiritual and our greatest weapon is obedience to YHWH.
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"..the insistence toward obedience deals with powers and authorities not stated to be civil magistrates at all.... they are spiritual authorities." such a good point..
Romans 13:1-2
"Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God. Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation."
'to damnation' doesn't even sound like it should be applicable to any flesh ruler such as a President or FEMA official..
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Interesting, that this has been posted just as my search has brought me to this truth: US is a corporation. I also find it interesting that while we all seem to arrive at the same conclusion, the paths, and souls met along the way, are different.
For me it began with a check in with one of the talk-show hosts I have loosely followed over the last year: Daryl Bradford Smith, www.iamthewitness.com. He had a guest on August 27, 2010 who spoke about how she learned the truth – that the Canadian and American governments are actually corporations – and how she is using that truth to join them in their own game, hence, freeing herself. (Her name is copyrighted and trademarked and I am unsure about my right to use her name. While she authorized Daryl to use her name, I have received no such permission.)
She talked about Admiralty/Maritime Law versus Common Law, and how corporations use Admiralty (Commercial) Law to deceive living souls who continue to believe that the courts operate under Common (Contract) Law.
Much of what she spoke about was beyond the scope of my current knowledge and understanding, but I listened to her arguments, made mental notes, and then went searching for answers to the questions I had formed; especially I wanted to know and understand the difference between Admiralty (Commercial) Law and Common (Contract) Law.
I realize I am probably preaching to the choir but one can never know so must continue to sow the seed.
Ben Lowrey who is interested in “Commercial Redemption” and “Inspirational philosophy” has a long list of educational videos which address this subject in small digestible bits. His first video is Recommended Reading for Law.
Somewhere along the way of checking out Ben’s recommendations, I arrived at this blog: Spiritual Economics Now where a book is offered, detailing the author’s experience in extracting herself from the clutches of the government corporation – a free .pdf download.
I am about 2/3 of the way through this book which, though it deals with a subject matter foreign to many, is very easy to read. The information she offers builds on what I first heard from the guest on iamthewitness.com
Listening and reading the words of these souls - the guest on iamthewitness.com, Ben Lowrey, and Mary Elizabeth: Croft – has taken my understanding of God’s Word to a whole new level especially the idea that we living souls have been redeemed through the example and shed blood of Jesus. We have already been bought and paid for; everything we have has already been pre-paid by God's design. We are no longer debtors, but to really be free, we must believe this; but not only believe, but act.
The word "duality" is used in Mary's book and I think that seeing/believing this dual life - though for a long time I have sensed it was not to be - has been a real stumbling block for me. I ALWAYS rejoice when God expands my understanding!
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Good to hear from you Deborah =)
gaining more and more understanding of the mechanisms and causes and effects of the earthly government facet of the system of evil paints a picture with which all believers are familiar.. that shackled slave.. and that knowledge itself helps awaken the desire in us to be released from our indentured lives.. and actually accepting the truth of the knowledge then helps initiate that process of removing the chains.. the same way the knowledge of Yahushua awakens that desire to be redeemed in Him.. then accepting Him as one's personal Savior begins the process of liberation that continues until we are with Him in person. "I ALWAYS rejoice when God expands my understanding!" isn't it liberating? so amazing the way He breaks not only the bonds set on us by the system of evil but also those with which we ensnared ourselves.
before we're saved we envision ourselves as alive, unburdened and free to do as we will.. we don't realize at the time that we're living dead men bet under the weight of all our iniquities, and permanently imprisoned by the law that 'the wages of sin is death'.. then the day we accept salvation in Messiah and He destroys that permanent link from us to death, carries us out of prison and sets us free.. we realize that we in fact were those zombie serfs of Satan's.
we are so blessed to alive and at liberty in our Savior.. knowing our redemption and understanding the workings of the enemy against the Creator makes an encounter with a secularist who knows about the system up until the point where they learn the who behind the what particularly disturbing.. the people who are half-asleep, who have part of the truth but not all of the truth - they know the systems of earth are corrupt but fail to acknowledge that the only way to remedy corruption is to be redeemed in Messiah.
the individuals in this profile group seem to be increasing.. some believe they can change the system from within and others believe they can change the system from without but both sides of the secular resistance are still controlled by the corrupt rulers they collectively seek to remove. the more we learn about the facets of the enemy's method the more we recognize it as that beast of revelation 13.. there are a lot of parts but in the end it all boils down to the Dragon who gives the beast it's power..
the fact that Satan is the head slave-master of this world and everything corrupt in it, and that salvation in Yahushua is the only deliverance from the jaws of the Dragon, i would say is the single most important aspect of government awareness.. recognizing the true nature of the duality and how the ultimate bi-partisan model ultimately converges on Satan himself, whereas Messiah is the top of the pyramid of true freedom.. and from there down runs the powers of those who are loyal to Him on past those who are loyal to Satan and up through his ranks until at the unholy pinnacle we find the one called The Adversary.
once we are set free by Messiah we begin to work out our lives in His mercy and perhaps one of the most necessary liberty tools we possess is the acknowledgment that in order to learn the truth we must first accept that we might be deceived about it.. although the number of half-truthers seems to be growing it's well evidenced that the majority of the lost are still under the impression that the duty of the government is To Serve Man, and it's humbling to know that, unlike the enslaved masses, we are free not only from the bond of death but also from the closed mindedness of believing we have all the answers right all the time about everything.
it's humbling to have the veils lifted from any area of reality, particularly now with the government, because of the nature of the days in which we live.. all available information points to the last days before Yahushua's return and even the lost know that for believers, the scenario goes that before Messiah's return there will be an antichrist, a mark of the beast, a tribulation and then a destruction and judgment.
these could be those last days and in addition to that itself being mind-blowing there is the fact that if they are, we have a duty to 'watch and pray' and make our choices according to our Savior's will.. so we are called not only to be partakers in His eternal inheritance through redemption in Him, but also called to search out truth and accept it when we find it so that we can better make those choices that glorify Yahushua.
these days are evil, whether they are the last or not, judging by the amount of evil, they appear to be the last.. if so, the deceptions we are aware of now will pale by far in comparison to what deceit lay ahead.. pray for a repentance like Ninevah.
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Here are some ideas loosely brought together regarding a believer’s stand in America today:
The premise: Man was created sovereign; that is, he was not accountable to a higher authority: the decree of the sovereign makes law. The only understood rule of a sovereign is that he may not harm another sovereign, therefore, that when engaging in voluntary exchange of goods you are required to do everything you say that you will do.
In the OT, the Ten Commandments is seen to be a voluntary contract of exchange between sovereigns: God says, Wherefore it shall come to pass, if you hearken to these judgments, and keep, and do them that the LORD you God shall keep unto you the covenant and the mercy which He swore unto your fathers… It is an open invitation to anyone who will and does not nullify our sovereignty.
Fast-forward to the NT. In Mt 5:19 Jesus says, Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least (few) commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least (in relation to God) in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them the same shall be called great (higher in relation to God?) in the kingdom of heaven.
Tolstoy’s paraphrase of Mt 5:19 reads thus:
“Do not think that being a vagrant means being lawless. I do not teach in order to loosen your hands from the divine law, on the contrary, I teach you to fulfill the divine law. As long as there are men under heaven, the law as to what may be done, and what not, exists for men. There will be no law when men will naturally do everything according to the law. Here I give you some rules for the fulfillment of the law.
“If a man shall not fulfill a single one of them and shall teach you that it may be left unfulfilled, he will be farthest away from God; but he who fulfills them all and teaches you to do so will be nearest to God. For if in the fulfillment of the law by you there will not be more truth than in the fulfillment of the law by the Pharisees and the scribes, you will not unite with God.”
Then Jesus went on to teach the five rules:
1. You shall not be angry.
2. You shall not commit adultery.
3. You shall not swear (take an oath or make a promise or a pledge).
4. You shall not judge therefore you shall not resist evil with violence.
5. You shall make no distinction among men therefore wage no war.
Fast forward to the present where it might be understood by some that 1) good and evil exist together in this world, 2)there are multiple world views (beliefs), 3) there is a duality of government, Republic vs. Democracy, hence, 4)there is a duality of law: Common Law (of sovereigns) vs. Admiralty (Commerce) Law (of corporations).
Specific to the United States, if the Constitution is structured in the manner of a trust or corporation, is it correct to assume that this was known by at least some of the framers, if not all, though not all in agreement because of differences in good or evil intent and world views and beliefs; each being influenced accordingly in his thinking about what form of government would be best; so that, while the contents, innocuous as they may have seemed were actually portentous?
Thomas Jefferson is credited with being a brilliant man, if not Christian, at least a Deist willing to acknowledge the power of a higher authority. If what is suggested about the Constitution is true, then the contents of the Preamble are genius, for Jefferson structured the Preamble as a trust or corporation:
Trustor: We the People (trustors, holding sovereign authority)
Venue: of the United States
Purpose: in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty
Beneficiary: to ourselves and our Posterity
Enabling Action 1: do ordain (declare – authorize – the law)
Enabling Action 2: and establish (bring into existence through written document)
What: this Constitution (articles of incorporation for trust)
Trustee: for the United States of America. (USA = Washington, D.C.)
The people, each being sovereign, were as kings and queens, none having any subjects. Common Law was the accepted law of the land.
From the context of the Preamble, one may conclude that the laws of the United States of America (a
public trust, not a country) do not apply to “We the People”. The people, as ordainers and establishers
of the country as sovereigns of the country, may not be involuntarily subjected to the laws of the USA.
How does this align with God’s Word? God calls those who will obey Him “my People”. Hosea 4:6
states, My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because you have rejected knowledge, I will also
reject you, that you shall be no priest to me: seeing you have forgotten the law of your God, I will also
forget your children.
God has been persistent in appealing to His people, yet we continually reject Him, rather favouring what the world offers. The false teachers are not in the future, as many believers are led to think. They were already here in the past which is why Jesus laboured with such insistence to warn us, teaching by His example how to guard against being ensnared and enslaved. We have been being deceived for hundreds of years – for so long that there is no one now who can remember when it was not so.
Free men? A sovereign People? What about the wars that have been staged and waged taking the lives of countless souls? Free men, tricked into rescinding their sovereign rights. A people, God’s people, deceived into thinking their government was on their side.
Let those with eyes to see and ears to hear . . . How many times do we read this in God’s Word?
Jesus knew the Pharisees were constantly trying to trick him through words because words have meanings. I heard a comment suggesting the spelling of words were once considered as spells. Selah.
Just as God is our Master, if we have contracted with Him by agreeing to obey His commands, yet He chooses to serve us rather than enslave us, so His Son, Jesus, taught the people that though they were sovereign and held all power, it pleased (was the wish of) our Heavenly Father that we would follow His example and serve rather than enslave. In this way we honour another’s sovereignty.
Go back and read the five rules Jesus addressed in Mt 5. Believers seem to be willing to agree to rules 1 and 2. But what about the other three; what about the rule that says, You shall not swear? What are we doing every time we place our right hand over our heart and recite the Pledge of Allegiance to the flag of the United States of America? Is not this an oath, a swearing of allegiance, as well as committing adultery?
Do not even believers today make distinctions between people and countries? Is this not a judging? And as a result of this judging do we not provoke violence and wage wars?
I am not in the camp to “take back America”. I choose to join Jesus in the camp outside the city, hoping that one day I can be among those “rejoicing that they were counted worthy to suffer shame for His name. (Acts 5:41)
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The popular secular assumption is that freedom is guaranteed or withheld by governments and that a life dedicated to serving the Creator is somehow a form of slavery. That real liberty is the natural product of having obeyed Him is automatically opposed to what serves as logic for the world. It is reasoned that freedom should mean doing all that one wants to do with no restriction...not taking into account that there is a Law at work that gives the transgressor into bondage to that which they do.
An offended conscience can't be mended by a multitude of justifications which men will give themselves for their wrong actions..and no one can honestly dispute with themselves that an offended conscience feels like liberty.
There's simply no means by which people can heal a nation's problems within the same evil system which brought those problems on in the first place...there is no remedy outside of Him.
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Obama Sets NDAA Detention Guidelines'"On Thursday, March 1, the die has been cast again as the American Republic entered the post-NDAA era. On March 1, the major provisions of that unconstitutional measure went into legal effect. Then, with another stroke of his pen, President Barack Obama implemented a set of regulations establishing the policies for implementing the immense powers granted him by the National Defense Authorization Act. Thus, he, and we, crossed into uncharted territory.
The media have portrayed these directives as a move by President Obama proving the strength and sincerity of his resolve to never deploy the military to detain American citizens without a trial. A closer look reveals that the media blowing of the President’s trumpet is mostly sound and fury, signifying nothing.
Nearly two months have passed since the President signed the NDAA into law. On December 31, 2011, with the portentous affixing of his signature to that law passed overwhelming by the Congress, the writ of habeas corpus — a civil right so fundamental to Anglo-American common law history that it predates the Magna Carta — became voidable upon the command of the President of the United States. The Sixth Amendment right to counsel — also revocable at his will.
Don't worry, though. The President adamantly denies that he will ever "authorize the indefinite military detention without trial of American citizens." That guarantee is all that stands between American citizens and life in prison on arbitrary charges of conspiring to commit or committing acts belligerent to the homeland.
The President continued by explaining that to indefinitely detain American citizens without a trial on the charges laid against them "would break with our most important traditions and values as a nation."
These promises were made in the signing statement attached by the president to the NDAA. Of course, the NDAA is an expression of power granted by the Constitution to neither the legislative nor the executive branch. The irony is that the document ostensibly guaranteeing the law-abiding use of that authority is itself unconstitutional.
In fact, the signing statement in which President Obama recorded these assurances is itself violative of the Constitution, the separation of powers established therein, and serves to demonstrate his proclivity for ignoring constitutional restraints on the exercise of power once those powers have been placed (albeit illegally) at his disposal by a complicit Congress.
Despite all of this, the policy directive is being promoted by the media as the etching in stone (promulgation of regulations) of the President’s determination to preserve our liberties and the timeless civil rights that undergird them. "
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So the how does a person effectively stand up to the government and not allow their tax dollars to go to Planned Parenthood? I hate that institution with every fiber of my being. I am trying to get my college to show the video clips of Maafa21 and bring in speakers from minority communities. Then maybe they can see that they have a racist agenda to create a race of white elitists, just like Hitler. I want to boycott the public schools but just don't know how it's going to work unless I have support.
Ya, a lot of Christians, me included, are conservatives and try to vote for the people who are pro-life and not for gay marriage. It makes sense, doesn't it? Ronald Reagen and some of the other Presidents like Abe Lincoln and the Founding Fathers surely were good people. Or do you all believe they worship the free masonry or whatever?
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Welcome to TNL, Natalie...
I don't have all the answers for what each individual ought to do....except very generally...we can't participate in that which offends our Creator and our conscience. For some of us, this might eventually mean changing our whole way of living...leaving the system and abdondoning the "grid". No one wants to think about the day that their life has to drastically change because the system has made it impossible for us to live like Christians, but i think that day is coming for us.
I can understand wanting to have a voice in the system...it's a rude awakening to one day face the cold fact that there never was a "voice of the people." in government. After generations of being taught that this is the land of the free...only to find out that it's not really much better than a fascist state is life changing.
Our presidents don't really have much of a say either, in fact. They serve as the face you look at when you think of policies and legislation of an era...but those decisions are made far above their heads, ultimately. That doesn't absolve these men, either though...they did not get where they were by being enemies of the controlling agenda.
Unfortunately the ties to Freemasonic Luciferianism run deep in the foundation of this nation and the people who were involved in it.
Here's a picture of Ronald Reagan at the Bohemian Grove...
"President Reagan is not a Freemason although he is an honorary member of the Imperial Council of the Shrine. President Reagan has on numerous occasions been involved in Shrine and masonic functions throughout his career."
http://www.apfn.net/Messageboard/06-07-04/discussion.cgi.36.htmlAnd then there are these...
Signers of declaration of independence and constitution
http://www.mastermason.com/bridgeportlodge181/STRANG11.HTM
Famous statue of George Washigton as Baphomet
George Washington National Memorial
Rotunda ceiling depicting a "risen" Washington surrounded by the Greek pantheon of deities
Our articles on the Masonic architecture of DC and Masonic symbolism of the US 1 dollar bill:
http://timenolonger.ning.com/forum/topics/washington-dc-ancient-vision
http://timenolonger.ning.com/forum/topics/the-anatomy-of-a-dollar
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Why Election Day won't be postponed
Washington (CNN) -- With Superstorm Sandy leaving communities under water, stranding millions without power and consuming public resources in several states, could next Tuesday's vote for president be moved to a later date?
No, it can't. Without passage of a new federal law, voting for president is required to take place on Tuesday, November 6, as planned.
But, partial postponements of voting in some affected areas are possible, consistent with the laws governing the election of the president and vice president.
When people go to the polls on Election Day, they aren't voting directly for their choice for president or vice president. Instead, they are voting to select representatives -- or "electors" -- to the Electoral College, the body that actually determines who will be president and vice president.
The Constitution gives Congress the authority to determine "time" of choosing those electors. In 1845, Congress passed a law that set the Tuesday immediately following the first Monday in November of every election year as Election Day across the country.
The same law also gives states some leeway in picking electors to the Electoral College. But to exercise that leeway, a state must have "held an election for the purpose of choosing electors," and "failed to make a choice on the day prescribed by law." When that happens, the law says "the electors may be appointed on a subsequent day in such manner as the legislature of such state may direct."
Based on this, the Congressional Research Service, a federal agency that provides legislative research support to Congress, concluded in a 2004 report that a state could probably hold presidential voting on Election Day in places unaffected by a natural disaster but postpone it until a later date in affected areas without violating federal law so long as the state met other legal requirements relating to electing the president and vice president.
But the law passed by Congress setting Election Day only allows a state to pick its electors on a later date if it has already held an election on Election Day and "failed to make a choice" on that day.
So a complete statewide postponement would arguably violate the 1845 law, the 2004 report suggested. But the report also pointed out that the Supreme Court has emphasized the role states play in selecting the presidential electors, so a state might be allowed to postpone an entire statewide vote for president in emergency circumstances like a hurricane or other natural disaster.
http://edition.cnn.com/2012/10/31/politics/sandy-election-day-postp...
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