What "Spirits" Did Yahushua Preach To? - Time No Longer2024-03-28T10:03:34Zhttps://timenolonger.ning.com/forum/topics/what-spirits-did-yahushua?commentId=5124148%3AComment%3A2542&feed=yes&xn_auth=nothat is true that it does not…tag:timenolonger.ning.com,2010-08-20:5124148:Comment:25592010-08-20T22:46:46.000ZProdigal Sonhttps://timenolonger.ning.com/profile/ProdigalSon
that is true that it does not just require wanting the benefits of returning but it requires turning away from the evil that brought one to be a in a spiritually impoverished place.<br />
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one who repents is certainly no hero but only making a decision to do what should have always been the case.<br />
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perhaps it would be good if believers in general reminded themselves that when they accuse those who have honestly repented, they are doing exactly what Satan (the accuser) does.
that is true that it does not just require wanting the benefits of returning but it requires turning away from the evil that brought one to be a in a spiritually impoverished place.<br />
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one who repents is certainly no hero but only making a decision to do what should have always been the case.<br />
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perhaps it would be good if believers in general reminded themselves that when they accuse those who have honestly repented, they are doing exactly what Satan (the accuser) does. Only loosely, this reminds me…tag:timenolonger.ning.com,2010-08-20:5124148:Comment:25552010-08-20T05:40:41.000ZDeborahhttps://timenolonger.ning.com/profile/Deborah
Only loosely, this reminds me of the parable where the landowner hires workers to work in his field all throughout the day, even up to an hour before quitting time, and yet paid them all the same. Those who worked all day grumbled and complained. The question the landowner put to them was, Isn't that what you agreed to?<br />
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Like the workers, we forget the terms of the contract.<br />
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You agree that it isn't enough that the rebellious child returns home; there must be a spirit of repentance and an…
Only loosely, this reminds me of the parable where the landowner hires workers to work in his field all throughout the day, even up to an hour before quitting time, and yet paid them all the same. Those who worked all day grumbled and complained. The question the landowner put to them was, Isn't that what you agreed to?<br />
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Like the workers, we forget the terms of the contract.<br />
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You agree that it isn't enough that the rebellious child returns home; there must be a spirit of repentance and an observable change - about face - in the behaviour?<br />
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Recently, one of my fb friends shared a news story about a woman who was being released from prison after serving only 20-30 years of an 85 year sentence, because she was dying. She had been convicted of murder as she had been part of a robbery that resulted in the death of two men. Her fans were touting her as a hero because, apparently she had become repentant of her deeds, and turned her time in prison into a time of teaching and helping other inmates.<br />
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I had no problem with her repenting, but I did take exception to her being given "hero" status, my thinking being that she had finally begun doing only what she always should have been doing. Doing our duty doesn't make us a hero.<br />
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I agree that Christians, especially, resist allowing repentant wrong-doers to change. We refuse to give them honest jobs so that they can provide for their needs. We keep them trapped in their sins, always reminding them, rarely if ever, praising and encouraging their change. 'elder son syndrome'.. like t…tag:timenolonger.ning.com,2010-08-19:5124148:Comment:25492010-08-19T20:17:04.000ZBeanhttps://timenolonger.ning.com/profile/BornAgainNerd
'elder son syndrome'.. like the way people get upset or are unbelieving in cases where one who committed horrible crimes gets born-again while imprisoned, instead of being happy and hopeful that a lost sheep could be saved.. after all, we know that He would have given Himself even for just one of the sheep to be returned.<br />
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it's nice to see others think rationally instead of emotionally. logically, since Satan for example, is acting of his own free will, choosing to sin, then it is only rational…
'elder son syndrome'.. like the way people get upset or are unbelieving in cases where one who committed horrible crimes gets born-again while imprisoned, instead of being happy and hopeful that a lost sheep could be saved.. after all, we know that He would have given Himself even for just one of the sheep to be returned.<br />
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it's nice to see others think rationally instead of emotionally. logically, since Satan for example, is acting of his own free will, choosing to sin, then it is only rational that he could choose to repent of that sin, and that if he did, he would be forgiven - just like anyone else.<br />
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people might want to believe that Satan "can't" repent but that isn't reasonable, since it would remove his accountability to YHWH for those sins; and they might not want to believe that possibility does not dictate probability.. i could say that Satan "probably" isn't going to repent, but that doesn't mean that it isn't possible.. anyone with free will who chooses to sin can choose to repent.<br />
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also people might want to believe that because Satan rebelled and was cast to Earth, that he therefore doesn't have access to salvation even if he did repent.. which is a really evil thought isn't it.. that an individual who is out there, still making choices to sin would be denied salvation even if he chose to repent.. a highly illogical and greatly conflicting picture of Messiah, for one.<br />
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in addition, that idea ignores the fact that Satan (or any other fallen spirit) is not human, has not died a physical death, and is still very much active in the choice to sin or not to sin.. just because he was kicked out of his previous home in Heaven doesn't mean that it became impossible for him to change.. just improbable.<br />
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it's no more reasonable for Satan to be denied an opportunity based on being previously kicked out of Heaven, than it would have been for Adam and Eve to have been denied an opportunity after being kicked out of Eden. things get said like "Satan made his choice".. but the truth is that all of us who have sinned made our choices too - and we chose sin just like Satan did.. we are not denied salvation because we chose sin.. rather we need salvation because we chose sin.<br />
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it all gets pretty simple when 'feelings' are laid aside.. and simple is what things need to get for people these days, and quick, since these look to be the last.<br />
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no one is afforded a second chance at salvation.. but everyone who sins is afforded one equal opportunity.<br />
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maybe someone will print some shirts some day that say "Yahushua - Equal Opportunity Savior" on the back and "Love Your Enemy" on the front, and really mean it. It's the "elder son" syndrome…tag:timenolonger.ning.com,2010-08-17:5124148:Comment:25422010-08-17T20:55:30.000ZCypriumhttps://timenolonger.ning.com/profile/Cyprium
It's the "elder son" syndrome as seen in the parable of the prodigal son...at least that's my best understanding of what that resistance is about. It's not only seen in this issue..i've just noticed it more, i suppose, because i am one of the few people i know who will even bring up the topic. The same dynamic, i think, is at work between factions of Christianity who have serious doctrinal differences or the way Christians in general will look at those they consider Serious human sinners.<br />
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It…
It's the "elder son" syndrome as seen in the parable of the prodigal son...at least that's my best understanding of what that resistance is about. It's not only seen in this issue..i've just noticed it more, i suppose, because i am one of the few people i know who will even bring up the topic. The same dynamic, i think, is at work between factions of Christianity who have serious doctrinal differences or the way Christians in general will look at those they consider Serious human sinners.<br />
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It has to stem from a place of feeling more deserving, without taking into account that No sinner is deserving. It must therefor necessitate a complete misunderstanding of Salvation in general. "And having made peace throug…tag:timenolonger.ning.com,2010-08-17:5124148:Comment:25342010-08-17T19:29:07.000ZBeanhttps://timenolonger.ning.com/profile/BornAgainNerd
"And having made peace through the blood of His cross, by Him to reconcile all things unto Himself; by Him, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven."<br />
Colossians 1:20 KJV<br />
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"<u>reconcile</u>" in this verse is the verb "apokatallassō" [G604]:<br />
1) to reconcile completely<br />
2) to reconcile back again<br />
3) bring back a former state of harmony<br />
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"<u>all things</u>" is the adjective "pas" [G3956]:<br />
1) individually<br />
- a) each, every, any, all, the whole, everyone, all things, everything<br />
2)…
"And having made peace through the blood of His cross, by Him to reconcile all things unto Himself; by Him, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven."<br />
Colossians 1:20 KJV<br />
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"<u>reconcile</u>" in this verse is the verb "apokatallassō" [G604]:<br />
1) to reconcile completely<br />
2) to reconcile back again<br />
3) bring back a former state of harmony<br />
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"<u>all things</u>" is the adjective "pas" [G3956]:<br />
1) individually<br />
- a) each, every, any, all, the whole, everyone, all things, everything<br />
2) collectively<br />
- a) some of all types<br />
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"<u>whether</u>" is the conjunction "eite" [G1535]:<br />
1) if ... if<br />
2) whether ... or<br />
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"<u>things in"</u>earth.. "things in" is the preposition "epi" [G1909]<br />
1) upon, on, at, by, before<br />
2) of position, on, at, by, over, against<br />
3) to, over, on, at, across, against<br />
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"earth" is the fem. noun "gē" [G1093]:<br />
1) arable land<br />
2) the ground, the earth as a standing place<br />
3) the main land as opposed to the sea or water<br />
4) the earth as a whole<br />
- a) the earth as opposed to the heavens<br />
- b) the inhabited earth, the abode of men and animals<br />
5) a country, land enclosed within fixed boundaries, a tract of land, territory, region<br />
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"<u>or</u>" is the conjunction "eite" [G1535]:<br />
1) if ... if<br />
2) whether ... or<br />
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"<u>things in</u>" heaven.. "things in" is the preposition "en" [G1722]:<br />
1) in, by, with etc.<br />
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"heaven" is the masc. noun "ouranos" [G3772]:<br />
1) the vaulted expanse of the sky with all things visible in it<br />
- a) the universe, the world<br />
- b) the aerial heavens or sky, the region where the clouds and the tempests gather, and where thunder and lightning are produced<br />
- c) the sidereal or starry heavens<br />
2) the region above the sidereal heavens, the seat of order of things eternal and consummately perfect where God dwells and other heavenly beings<br />
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many people don't like this idea because they feel slighted in thinking that a fallen spirit would 'get' to be so evil for so long, and then be forgiven.. it is sad.. all flesh has sinned, and all sinners deserve death.. our sinless Messiah, who did not deserve death, rescued us out of the fiery furnace of hell, and it is very sad that some who have been given eternal life in Him are so willing to see others eternally perish without Him.. especially since He is "not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance".<br />
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we are commanded to love our enemies (Luke 6:27).. we are told our enemies are not flesh and blood, but wicked spirits (Eph 6:12) i have no doubt that preaching the gospel to every creature, including the enemy, counts as an act of love.. even if the odds of repentance are stacked against fallen spirits, they still have free will, and if one would repent, it stands to reason that one would be forgiven.<br />
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Jude discusses the fallen Watchers - "of some have compassion, making a difference, and others save with fear, pulling them out of the fire.."<br />
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"With men this is impossible, but with Yahuwah all things are possible." (Mat 19:26)<br />
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fallen spirits are His creation too.. even though they are fallen from their original glory.. are we humans any different? some may say they are different because they were once with Him in person.. but Adam and Eve were with Him also.. and people were with Yahushua.. and yet all flesh has fallen from glory as well, and how is a fallen human better than a fallen spirit?<br />
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He is not partial, but humans are.. and it is sad to say.. because even though the chance might be one in a million - it should still be worth it.. He leaves the 99 for the one.. shouldn't we do the same. If your child was desperately wicked (which all flesh is) and left you and your home.. would you not welcome him back with open arms on the day he returned and was recovered - even if during that time away he was evil - i should hope we would all run to welcome the prodigal son, no matter how long he'd been gone or how much wrong he'd done.. i should hope we would all have mercy on the reconciled child, instead of demanding sacrifice, the same way our Father in Heaven values Mercy over sacrifice.<br />
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"I desired mercy, and not sacrifice.." Hosea 6:6<br />
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"I will have mercy, and not sacrifice.." Mat 9:13 Mat 12:7<br />
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forgiving sin does not equal condoning sin..<br />
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the bottom line in this proposal usually leads to the very sad fact that humans want to believe they are "better".. that their sins are somehow "not as bad" as others' sins.. and that ultimately, Yahushua does not have the power to save "whosoever believes in Him".. very sad.<br />
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i say.. if any fallen spirit out there wants to repent - then let him repent and let him be saved and let the Savior be glorified by it.