Stars, Wormwood and Corexit 9500 - Time No Longer2024-03-29T11:48:30Zhttps://timenolonger.ning.com/forum/topics/stars-wormwood-and-corexit?commentId=5124148%3AComment%3A2373&feed=yes&xn_auth=noBP oil spill mostly cleaned u…tag:timenolonger.ning.com,2010-08-05:5124148:Comment:23792010-08-05T21:57:43.000ZBeanhttps://timenolonger.ning.com/profile/BornAgainNerd
<u>BP oil spill mostly cleaned up, says US</u> <a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2010/aug/04/bp-static-kill-successful">Guardian UK</a><br />
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<b>White House says 75% of oil captured, burned off, evaporated or broken down as 'static kill' operaion shows signs of working</b><br />
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[The rig drilling the primary relief well and the vessel, in the background, being used to perform the static kill. Photograph: Gerald Herbert/AP]<br />
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<u>BP oil spill mostly cleaned up, says US</u> <a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2010/aug/04/bp-static-kill-successful">Guardian UK</a><br />
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<b>White House says 75% of oil captured, burned off, evaporated or broken down as 'static kill' operaion shows signs of working</b><br />
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[The rig drilling the primary relief well and the vessel, in the background, being used to perform the static kill. Photograph: Gerald Herbert/AP]<br />
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"The US government said today that most of the oil that leaked into the Gulf of Mexico has been cleaned up as BP reported that a "static kill" blocking procedure was stopping more crude pouring into the gulf.<br />
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"The White House energy adviser, Carol Browner, said a new assessment had found that about 75% of the oil had been captured, burned off, evaporated or broken down in the Gulf.<br />
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"The volume of the remaining oil, however, is still more than four times larger than the amount lost from the Exxon Valdez tanker in 1989.<br />
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"It was captured. It was skimmed. It was burned. It was contained. Mother Nature did her part," Browner said of the Gulf oil spill. She added that about 25% remained."<br />
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"..BP will not know for certain whether the static kill has succeeded until engineers can use the relief well. That is due to be completed soon. The well will be used to execute the bottom kill.<br />
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"The task is becoming more urgent because the peak hurricane season is just around the corner, Allen said.." Here's Bp's latest commentary…tag:timenolonger.ning.com,2010-08-05:5124148:Comment:23732010-08-05T20:56:54.000ZCypriumhttps://timenolonger.ning.com/profile/Cyprium
Here's Bp's latest commentary on the spill...<br />
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<b>"The beaches will be normal before Christmas, fishing will be back in two months and the shellfish industry in two years. It's not that the oysters and clams are poisonous, it's just that they won't taste very nice....<br />
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The truth is, the death toll is very small when you compare it with other major disasters," says Dr Martin Preston, a marine chemist at Liverpool University, who was involved in the clean-up after the Braer disaster off the…</b>
Here's Bp's latest commentary on the spill...<br />
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<b>"The beaches will be normal before Christmas, fishing will be back in two months and the shellfish industry in two years. It's not that the oysters and clams are poisonous, it's just that they won't taste very nice....<br />
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The truth is, the death toll is very small when you compare it with other major disasters," says Dr Martin Preston, a marine chemist at Liverpool University, who was involved in the clean-up after the Braer disaster off the Shetland islands in 1993, in which 85,000 tonnes of crude oil were spilt."<br />
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<a href="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/7918000/BP-oil-spill-Was-Tony-Hayward-right-after-all.html" target="_blank">http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/7918000/BP-oil-spill-Was-Tony-Hayward-right-after-all.html</a><br />
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So the oysters and clams aren't poisonous..they just taste bad. As a general rule i think we all know that if you open a can of something or pull an item out of the refrigerator which smells or tastes bad..it is bad...don't eat that.<br />
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As for the "small" death toll in wildlife...anyone recall the reports of BP burning marine animals alive, effectively getting rid of the evidence?<br />
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<b>"A rare and endangered species of sea turtle is being burned alive in BP's controlled burns of the oil swirling around the Gulf of Mexico, and a boat captain tasked with saving them says the company has blocked rescue efforts....<br />
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Part of BP's efforts to contain the oil spill are controlled burns. Fire-resistant booms are used to corral an area of oil, then the area within the boom is lit on fire, burning off the oil and whatever marine life may have been inside....<br />
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Mike Michael at Gather.com reports that Kemp's Ridleys are listed as endangered under the Endangered Species Act. Harming or killing one "carries stiff fines and civil penalties ($500-$25,000) assessed for each violation. Criminal penalties include possible prison time and fines from $25,000-$50,000."<br />
Michael suggests that, given the size of the fines BP could face as a result of the turtle deaths, the company may be happy to let turtles burn, as it would make it impossible to calculate exactly how many turtles died. He notes that the bodies of dead animals are being kept as evidence to determine how much in fines BP will be liable for"<br />
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<a href="http://rawstory.com/rs/2010/0620/bp-burning-sea-turtles-alive/" target="_blank">http://rawstory.com/rs/2010/0620/bp-burning-sea-turtles-alive/</a> the oil is gone? here is a pi…tag:timenolonger.ning.com,2010-08-04:5124148:Comment:23712010-08-04T23:29:07.000ZProdigal Sonhttps://timenolonger.ning.com/profile/ProdigalSon
the oil is gone? here is a picture taken by satellite July 28 showing diluted oil over 12,000 square miles of surface water.<br />
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<b>"Feds Can’t Find Oil But Satellite Photos Show BP Gulf Oil Spill Covering 12,000 Square Miles<br />
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The federal government and media is reporting that the BP gulf oil spill has disappeared but satellite photos show a slick covering over 12,000 square miles of the Gulf.<br />
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According to John Amos over at Sky Truth all of that oil…</b>
the oil is gone? here is a picture taken by satellite July 28 showing diluted oil over 12,000 square miles of surface water.<br />
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<b>"Feds Can’t Find Oil But Satellite Photos Show BP Gulf Oil Spill Covering 12,000 Square Miles<br />
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The federal government and media is reporting that the BP gulf oil spill has disappeared but satellite photos show a slick covering over 12,000 square miles of the Gulf.<br />
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According to John Amos over at Sky Truth all of that oil that magically disappeared isn’t going away just yet.<br />
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Yesterday’s MODIS and RADARSAT images show something we didn’t expect: slicks and sheen spanning nearly 12,000 square miles. Based on other reports, and the recent trend on satellite images indicating steady dissipation of the surface oil slick, we are optimistically assuming that nearly all of this is very thin sheen."</b><br />
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<a href="http://blog.alexanderhiggins.com/2010/07/31/feds-cant-find-oil-but-satellite-photos-show-bp-gulf-oil-spill-covering-12000-square-miles/" target="_blank">http://blog.alexanderhiggins.com/2010/07/31/feds-cant-find-oil-but-...</a> microbes could eat a lot of o…tag:timenolonger.ning.com,2010-07-31:5124148:Comment:23182010-07-31T20:08:19.000ZBeanhttps://timenolonger.ning.com/profile/BornAgainNerd
microbes could eat a lot of oil.. and at first there were a number of requests for BP to use microbes to do that, but BP being the Beast tool that it is, declined.. deciding instead to pollute the water with Corexit, which happens to kill microbes which would have eliminated some of the oil..<br />
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now we have essentially invisible toxins and rainclouds full of microencapsulated poisons.. that will persist as long as the toxic particles continue to evaporate into the atmosphere.. which, with the…
microbes could eat a lot of oil.. and at first there were a number of requests for BP to use microbes to do that, but BP being the Beast tool that it is, declined.. deciding instead to pollute the water with Corexit, which happens to kill microbes which would have eliminated some of the oil..<br />
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now we have essentially invisible toxins and rainclouds full of microencapsulated poisons.. that will persist as long as the toxic particles continue to evaporate into the atmosphere.. which, with the amount used, could be for an unfortunately long time. Presto chango!!
Indeed...I ha…tag:timenolonger.ning.com,2010-07-29:5124148:Comment:22272010-07-29T15:49:27.000ZKathyhttps://timenolonger.ning.com/profile/Kathy
<b>Presto chango!!</b><br />
Indeed...I have come across a few articles saying microbes have eaten all the oil up! Microbes have eaten millions of gallons of crude oil. Microbes. Here is a quote from one article " some researchers suspect, is that the oil has been devoured by microbes." <a href="http://news.yahoo.com/s/ynews_excl/ynews_excl_sc3270" target="_blank">http://news.yahoo.com/s/ynews_excl/ynews_excl_sc3270</a><br />
I could come up with a more fantastic theory than that. Wonder who is paying…
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Indeed...I have come across a few articles saying microbes have eaten all the oil up! Microbes have eaten millions of gallons of crude oil. Microbes. Here is a quote from one article " some researchers suspect, is that the oil has been devoured by microbes." <a href="http://news.yahoo.com/s/ynews_excl/ynews_excl_sc3270" target="_blank">http://news.yahoo.com/s/ynews_excl/ynews_excl_sc3270</a><br />
I could come up with a more fantastic theory than that. Wonder who is paying these "researchers"? Unreal...sure, it's all just…tag:timenolonger.ning.com,2010-07-28:5124148:Comment:22242010-07-28T22:34:15.000ZCypriumhttps://timenolonger.ning.com/profile/Cyprium
Unreal...sure, it's all just Gone..just like that. Presto chango..they must have gotten Harry Potter on the job eh? Of course it appears to be gone..after dumping millions of gallons of Corexit on it, what do they expect? BP had intended this to be the case so that they are liable for less spilled oil...if you can't find it, you can't measure it.
Unreal...sure, it's all just Gone..just like that. Presto chango..they must have gotten Harry Potter on the job eh? Of course it appears to be gone..after dumping millions of gallons of Corexit on it, what do they expect? BP had intended this to be the case so that they are liable for less spilled oil...if you can't find it, you can't measure it. An idea such as "mother natur…tag:timenolonger.ning.com,2010-07-27:5124148:Comment:22072010-07-27T23:11:09.000ZProdigal Sonhttps://timenolonger.ning.com/profile/ProdigalSon
An idea such as "mother nature has done her job" like one in that article says is ridiculous. The Exxon Valdez spill occurred in 1989 and spilled at most 750,000 barrels of oil. 21 years later, the environment of that area is still damaged. imagining this which just happened in the gulf being simply gone 10 days or so after a poor attempt to cap the well makes no reasonable sense. the oil must logically still be there, whether under the surface or suspended in chemicals.
An idea such as "mother nature has done her job" like one in that article says is ridiculous. The Exxon Valdez spill occurred in 1989 and spilled at most 750,000 barrels of oil. 21 years later, the environment of that area is still damaged. imagining this which just happened in the gulf being simply gone 10 days or so after a poor attempt to cap the well makes no reasonable sense. the oil must logically still be there, whether under the surface or suspended in chemicals. Where did all the oil go?! Af…tag:timenolonger.ning.com,2010-07-27:5124148:Comment:21962010-07-27T17:27:56.000ZKathyhttps://timenolonger.ning.com/profile/Kathy
Where did all the oil go?! After millions or maybe billions of gallons of crude oil spews out of the broken well, it doesn't just disappear. It doesn't just break down into nothing. Unless of course this is a miracle performed by Our Great Creator. Then that is possible. Although, I am thinking something just smells bad.<br />
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BP Oil Spill: Clean-Up Crews Can't Find Crude in the Gulf<br />
As Size of Slick Shrinks, Experts Say Oil is Breaking Up, Staying Below Surface<br />
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Where did all the oil go?! After millions or maybe billions of gallons of crude oil spews out of the broken well, it doesn't just disappear. It doesn't just break down into nothing. Unless of course this is a miracle performed by Our Great Creator. Then that is possible. Although, I am thinking something just smells bad.<br />
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BP Oil Spill: Clean-Up Crews Can't Find Crude in the Gulf<br />
As Size of Slick Shrinks, Experts Say Oil is Breaking Up, Staying Below Surface<br />
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By JEFFREY KOFMAN<br />
BURAS, La. July 26, 2010<br />
For 86 days, oil spewed into the Gulf of Mexico from BP's damaged well, dumping some 200 million gallons of crude into sensitive ecosystems. BP and the federal government have amassed an army to clean the oil up, but there's one problem -- they're having trouble finding it.<br />
Managing director Bob Dudley is reportedly taking over from Tony Hayward.<br />
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At its peak last month, the oil slick was the size of Kansas, but it has been rapidly shrinking, now down to the size of New Hampshire.<br />
Today, ABC News surveyed a marsh area and found none, and even on a flight out to the rig site Sunday with the Coast Guard, there was no oil to be seen.<br />
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"That oil is somewhere. It didn't just disappear," said Plaquemines Parish President Billy Nungesser.<br />
Salvador Cepriano is one of the men searching for crude. Cepriano, a shrimper, has been laying out boom with his boat, but he's found that there's no oil to catch.<br />
"I think it is underneath the water. It's in between the bottom and the top of the water," Cepriano said.<br />
Even the federal government admits that locating the oil has become a problem.<br />
"It is becoming a very elusive bunch of oil for us to find," said National Incident Cmdr. Thad Allen.<br />
Skimmers Pick Up Less Oil<br />
The numbers don't lie: two weeks ago, skimmers picked up about 25,000 barrels of oily water. Last Thursday, they gathered just 200 barrels.<br />
Still, it doesn't mean that all the oil that gushed for weeks is gone. Thousands of small oil patches remain below the surface, but experts say an astonishing amount has disappeared, reabsorbed into the environment.<br />
"[It's] mother nature doing her job," said Ed Overton, a professor of environmental studies at Louisiana State University.<br />
Experts: Gulf of Mexico Oil is Breaking Up<br />
The light crude began to deteriorate the moment it escaped at high pressure, and then it was zapped with dispersants to speed the process along. The oil that did make it to the ocean's surface was broken up by 88-degree water, baked by 100-degree sun, eaten by microbes, and whipped apart by wind and waves.<br />
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Experts stress that even though there's less and less oil as time goes on, there's still plenty around the spill site. And in the long term, no one knows what the impact of those hundreds of millions of gallons will be, deep in the waters of the Gulf of Mexico.<br />
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BP Oil Spill: Where Did All The Crude Go? Mother Nature Breaks Down Slick in Gulf of Mexico - ABC News<br />
<a href="http://abcnews.go.com/WN/bp-oil-spill-crude-mother-nature-breaks-slick/story?id=11254252" target="_blank">http://abcnews.go.com/WN/bp-oil-spill-crude-mother-nature-breaks-slick/story?id=11254252</a> "...you know, when you’re on…tag:timenolonger.ning.com,2010-07-23:5124148:Comment:19932010-07-23T23:17:45.000ZCypriumhttps://timenolonger.ning.com/profile/Cyprium
<b>"...you know, when you’re on the sand with your children and they dig, and there’s a little water?—they documented there was over 200 parts per million of oil waste in the water, and it’s not noticeable to the human eye... On top of it, the contamination in one of the samples was so high that when they put the solvent in, as a first step in identifying how much oil may be in the water, the thing blew up, just as he said, probably because there was too much Corexit in that particular…</b>
<b>"...you know, when you’re on the sand with your children and they dig, and there’s a little water?—they documented there was over 200 parts per million of oil waste in the water, and it’s not noticeable to the human eye... On top of it, the contamination in one of the samples was so high that when they put the solvent in, as a first step in identifying how much oil may be in the water, the thing blew up, just as he said, probably because there was too much Corexit in that particular sample."</b><br />
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I guess about all i can say other than the psychotic nature of keeping this from the public isn't as shocking to me as i would like..is "People, get out of there".. we've known all along this stuff is deadly..that it can literally act as a catalyst to bring other toxins (like petroleum) into the body tissues. There is simply no way the immediate Gulf region is safe to live in. We'll stay hopeful that the rest of the country and its fresh water supply doesn't go the same way. Censored Gulf news: People bl…tag:timenolonger.ning.com,2010-07-23:5124148:Comment:19882010-07-23T20:56:28.000ZKathyhttps://timenolonger.ning.com/profile/Kathy
Censored Gulf news: People bleeding internally, millions poisoned says 'EPA whistleblower'<br />
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"...we have dolphins that are hemorrhaging. People who work near it are hemorrhaging internally. And that’s what dispersants are supposed to do... Congressman Markey and Nadler, as well as Senator Mikulski, have been heroes... Mark Kaufman, EPA whistleblower, Democracy Now!<br />
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Poisoning millions of people<br />
In its report, EPA Whistleblower Accuses Agency of Covering Up Effects of Dispersant in BP Oil Spill…
Censored Gulf news: People bleeding internally, millions poisoned says 'EPA whistleblower'<br />
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"...we have dolphins that are hemorrhaging. People who work near it are hemorrhaging internally. And that’s what dispersants are supposed to do... Congressman Markey and Nadler, as well as Senator Mikulski, have been heroes... Mark Kaufman, EPA whistleblower, Democracy Now!<br />
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In its report, EPA Whistleblower Accuses Agency of Covering Up Effects of Dispersant in BP Oil Spill Cleanup, Democracy Now! states that "many lawmakers and advocacy groups say the Obama administration is not being candid about the lethal effects of dispersants," so Amy Goodman interviewed Hugh Kaufman, a senior policy analyst at the EPA’s Office of Solid Waste and Emergency Response and a leading critic of the decision to use Corexit" who disclosed how the officials are lying about many things related to the catastrophe poisoning "millions of people." (Listen: Real Audio Strea or MP3 Download)<br />
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The rushed transcript includes Kaufman saying, "And I think the media now has to follow the money, just as they did in Watergate, and tell the American people who’s getting money for poisoning the millions of people in the Gulf. (Emphasis added)<br />
"While concerns over the impact of chemical dispersants continue to grow, Gulf Coast residents are outraged by a recent announcement that the $20 billion government-administered claim fund will subtract money cleanup workers earn by working for the cleanup effort from any future claims.<br />
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The "Vessels of Opportunity" program has employed hundreds of Gulf Coast out of work people because of the spill which Kaufman says is viewed as yest another way "to limit the number of lawsuits against BP."<br />
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"And the government—both EPA, NOAA, etc.—have been sock puppets for BP in this cover-up. (Emphasis added)<br />
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Kaufman concurs with MSNBC's report last week, that "sole purpose in the Gulf for dispersants is to keep a cover-up going for BP to try to hide the volume of oil that has been released and save them hundreds of millions, if not billions, of dollars of fines... not to protect the public health or environment. Quite the opposite.."<br />
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He says to follow the money, and that leads to individuals in the Obama Administration, naming Mr. Geithner, Mr. Summers with close ties to Larry Fink who owns BlackRock that owns most BP shares.<br />
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He commented on the children being poisoned:<br />
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"...you know, when you’re on the sand with your children and they dig, and there’s a little water?—they documented there was over 200 parts per million of oil waste in the water, and it’s not noticeable to the human eye... On top of it, the contamination in one of the samples was so high that when they put the solvent in, as a first step in identifying how much oil may be in the water, the thing blew up, just as he said, probably because there was too much Corexit in that particular sample."<br />
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When Goodman asked Kaufman to comment on the similarities between the Ground Zero of the Gulf catastrophe and what happened at Ground Zero of 911, he explained that he did the ombudsman investigation on Ground Zero, "where EPA made false statements about the safety of the air" ... since proven to be false.<br />
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Red herring: No more tests needed. Corexit known to be dangerous.<br />
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"The largest ingredient in Corexit is oil. But there are other materials. And when the ingredients are mixed with oil, the combination of Corexit or any dispersant and oil is more toxic than the oil itself. But EPA has all that information.<br />
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"That’s a red herring issue being raised, that we have to somehow know more information. When you look at the label and you look at the toxicity sheets that come with it, the public knows enough to know that it’s very dangerous. The National Academy of Science has done work on it. Toxicologists from Exxon that developed it have published on it.<br />
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"So, we know enough to know that it’s very dangerous, and to say that we just have to know more about it is a red herring issue. We know plenty. It’s very dangerous."<br />
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"[T]he media now has to follow the money, just as they did in Watergate, and tell the American people who’s getting money for poisoning the millions of people in the Gulf."<br />
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No mention was made by the whistleblower about military involvement in this operation, nor that the DoD has been in bed with EPA for decades, testing aerosol sprayed chemicals on unwitting individuals and large populations.<br />
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With all eyes on big bad BP, could it be the real red herring?<br />
<a href="http://www.examiner.com/x-10438-Human-Rights-Examiner~y2010m7d21-Censored-Gulf-news-Whistleblower-EPA-hiding-gassed-people-bleeding-internally" target="_blank">http://www.examiner.com/x-10438-Human-Rights-Examiner~y2010m7d21-Censored-Gulf-news-Whistleblower-EPA-hiding-gassed-people-bleeding-internally</a>