Then I stood on the sand of the sea and I saw a beast rising up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and on his horns ten crowns, and on his heads a blasphemous name. Now the beast that I saw was like a leopard, his feet were like a bear, and his mouth like the mouth of a lion. The dragon gave him his power, his throne, and great authority. And one of his heads was if it had been mortally wounded and his deadly wound was healed and the entire world marveled and followed the beast. So they worshiped the dragon that gave authority to the beast and they worshiped the beast saying, "Who is like the beast? Who is able to make war with him?" And he was given a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies, and he was given authority to continue for forty-two months. Then he opened his mouth in blasphemy against Yahuwah, to blaspheme His name, His tent, and those who dwell in the sky. It was granted to him to make war with the saints and to overcome them. And authority was given him over every tribe, tongue, and nation.All who dwell on the earth will worship him, whose names have not been written in the Book of Life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world. If anyone has an ear, let him hear. He who leads into captivity shall go into captivity. He who kills with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints. - Revelation 13:1-10

What should we think this means, a beast out of the sea? It has been explained by Christian leadership as being symbolic of this beast being derived out of many nations, the sea being a figurative way of meaning many peoples or nations. There must be an example in scripture, then, of this metaphor being deciphered so that it is clear that "sea" is figurative language for a host of multinational people. This reference to make a connection like this seems absent though. So what then? Has Christian leadership guessed at this or have they been trained with this answer from seminary?

What if there were another possibility? Perhaps it is worth a second consideration of some long forgotten mythologies to understand what those who lived long before this generation understood as the beast which came out of the sea.

The continent of Europe takes its name from a woman who is considered to be a figure of ancient Greek mythology. The legend is not just a Greek one though, it begins in Phoenicia. Europa, it was said, was the daughter of Canaan. She was a princess of Phoenicia, living in Tyre. There came a day when a bull-like beast came out of the sea and met her, gaining her trust until she sat upon its back. At this time it revealed to her that it was a "god". The beast then abducted her, taking her into the Ocean and leaving her on the island of Crete where she eventually gave birth to the three sons of the beast.

This legend is repeated by the Greeks where the beast is thought to be Zeus in disguise but by other cultures he connects to beings such as Dagon who was said to be part man and part fish. None of those who recorded this story, such as Herodotus, refer to it as a story of symbolism or mythology, but insist it is a historic occurrence. The three sons who were fathered by the sea beast on Europa are understood to be three divine patriarchs of European branches of people. Phoenicia remembered the event by building a temple in honor of Europa and producing currency with a depiction of her riding on a bull.


Before the deluge was sent upon the Earth, all flesh had corrupted its way according to the words of Genesis, except Noah and his family.

So 'Elohiym looked upon the earth and indeed it was corrupt, for all flesh had corrupted their way on the earth. - Genesis 6:12

If one is familiar with the history of this time as explained in 1 Enoch, it is understood that this means a corruption of the genetic foundation of all life forms on the earth, man and beast. Rebel angels first introducing their genes into the human population and then also created transgenic chimeras. Creatures who were part man or part angel and part one or more type of animal life walked the earth, are still recalled in legends today, and have begun to be a reality once more in modern age science.

Those who would say that all transgenic beings were destroyed in the flood, never to be seen again will have difficulty finding ways to explain how it came to be that nephilim were present in the promised land when Israel entered it or how every post flood culture in recorded history insists on the existence of chimera type beasts.

It is usually understood by believers that the flood killed all things except for those preserved on the ark, yet this is not exactly what Genesis says.

And all flesh died that moved on the earth. Birds and cattle and beasts and every creeping thing that creeps on the earth and every man. All in whose nostrils was the breath of the spirit of life, all on the dry ground, died. So He destroyed all living things that were on the face of the ground, both man and cattle, creeping thing and bird of the air. They were destroyed from the earth. Only Noah and those with him in the ark remained. Genesis 7:21-23

Scripture tells of all life which exists on the dry ground being destroyed, but as we could never expect Noah to have taken on board life such as whales or dolphins or every kind of fish, it should perhaps be a matter of logic which tells us that whatever could live aquatically could survive the flood. This includes whatever transgenic creations which could live aquatically. The so-called myths of mermaids and Selkies and other strange, aquatic transgenics should be understood, not as fables, but as the record of surviving pre-flood transgenic hybrids.

Dagon of the Philistines and Oannes of the Babylonians were deities which had emerged from the sea to begin to teach the old, forbidden, pre-flood knowledge to post flood humanity. The tower of Babel should be considered as an early attempt to preserve and use that ancient knowledge so that it would not again be lost to mankind. YHWH intended that mankind lose this history though, as it was responsible for the great evil and violence of the pre-flood earth.

The story of Europa is very similar to a legend which is told about a line of kings called the Merovingian. It is said that the line began with one named Merovee, a name which means "from the sea" and he was considered semi -divine, his father having been a creature known as a quinotaur (the bull king) or the "Bistea Neptunis" (the beast of Neptune). This creature is described as having both bull and fish features and being aquatic in nature. The mother of Merovee was seduced or raped by the quinotaur as she was wading in the sea.

The Merovingian line is usually understood to be extinct, but this is far from true. Though the name is not any longer among the families of nobility, the bloodline is the direct ancestry of all the ruling families throughout Europe. The Merovingian line can be traced back, with or without this legend of the quinotaur, to Phoenicia but considering the story of Europa which was believed in Phoenicia to be accurate and historical, there is a connection which is undeniable.

The three sons of Europa by the sea beast are also considered real, historical individuals by those who record a memory of them. These three were named Minos, Rhadamanthus, and Sarpedon. All three begin their reign on Crete, where he quinotaur left Europa, but Minos drives out his two brothers.

Rhadamanthus fled to Boeotia, a region of ancient Greece, north of the gulf of Corinth. It is reasonable then, that Rhadamanthus brought the story of his conception to Greece and it became accepted as part of Greek mythology.

Sarpedon, after he was banished from Crete, founded the kingdom of Lycia. Lycia was a region in Anatolia on the southern coast of Turkey, a region which later came under the authority of the Roman empire. Miletus, an ancient city of this region recorded their beginnings as being founded in Crete.

Minos, the son of Europa who remained on Crete is recalled in Germanic mythology as having three sons of his own who became the ancestors of the Germanic people: Ingaevones, Herminones and Istvaeones. The German story also, where Minos is known as Mannus, his father is understood to be a "god" called Tuisto. The songs which tell this history describe their forefather as living near the ocean and being a "god" who was born on the earth.

There is a logical conclusion to why Europe would retain the name of a strange legend of a woman being impregnated by a chimera being from the sea. The conclusion is strange enough, though, that it is easily concealed from the world which has come to understand reality as one thing and legend as another, never questioning if these two things might be the same.

Europa is literally the mother of Europe and her sons are the literal patriarchs whose descendants dwell there to this day. The nobility who have always been the kings, the queens and the rulers of the European nations are those who have literally descended in a direct line from the children of a beast who came from the sea.

It is no coincidence, perhaps that there now exists a structured government which holds power in Europe called the European Union. This is an organization which many believers have linked, correctly, to the beast of revelation, but never knowing how true of a connection it really was. There are 27 nations in the European Union and this, maybe, causes some confusion for those who have seen a link between it and the beast who has only seven heads. Out of those 27 nations, though, only 7 are monarchies which have hereditary succession. Here there are the seven heads of the beast out of the sea:

Belgium - Albert II

Denmark - Margrethe II

Luxembourg - Henri

Netherlands- Beatrix

Spain - Juan Carlos

Sweden - Carl XVI

UK- Elizabeth II

These royal lineages are the inter-related families which descend from Europa.

The official web site of the European Union is named Europa.

This is the statue which sits outside of the European Union, Europa on the bull who took her captive.


It is also interesting to know that the heraldry of these families repeatedly depict lions, panthers and bears. These are the creatures which are described to comprise the beast in Revelation.

The original crest of King Clovis of the Merovingian showed three frogs and the Merovingian are often connected to frogs (amphibious beasts) in legend. There is possibly something to think about in connection with this passage in scripture:

And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs coming out of the mouth of the dragon, out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet. For they are spirits of demons, performing signs, that go out to the kings of the earth and of the whole world to gather them to the battle of that great day of Yahuwah Almighty - Revelation 16: 13, 14

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Been going through these excellent older posts. 

For or the most part, what can we then say about the overall genetic structure “ of Europeans? Canaan is obviously a major donor, but at the same time, we know that the horse riders from Japheths line have contributed as well (in my mind as of this writing, paternal haplogroup R- which accounts for the haplogroup lineages of about 50% of European men- is most likely a Japhetic set of lineages that came out of Iran)

interestingly, the current state of secular archaeo-genetics has been poo-poo ing the so called Out-of-Iran theory of the origins of Indo-European speakers and the current favored theory is that the branch popped up on the Pontic steppe. The steppe is no doubt where many scythians and gomerites found themselves, but would Iran not be the Scythian origin point? 

Also, there seems to be a layer of European ancestry that has a connection to the Caucasus which the Basques appear to be a linguistic remnant. Maybe I’m wrong. Maybe Troy connection? 

Just spit ballin. Blessings!

Historically the "out of Iran" belief was pretty well accepted in people's own oral traditions and records regarding Scythians. When modern "science" starts to try to give a different story than what was historically known, there's usually something being hidden. Why disregard it without explanation as to why people would have largely believed in an origin that was false? Seems like the reply to that usually boiled down to "people made up crap back in the day".

There are Scandinavians who claim Troy as their origin. Could be that Basques were a group that stayed in that region when others traveled north but not sure on that.

Interesting. Yes, I have heard echos of something about some Scandinavian kings claiming Trojan ancestry. There has even been one scholar who has become a bit of an academic laughing stock (maybe cause he's right?) about Troy and the events of Homer's Trojan War taking place in Scandinavia, the Baltic region, and Finland. I take it based upon your choice of phrase regarding the Basques having "stayed" in their region that you do not agree those events happened in the north. Here's the gist: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Baltic_Origins_of_Homer%27s_Epic_...

Basques are genetically not radically different from non-Basque Spanish and French, but do have a bit of a more "northern" pull to their genes relative to their location. Hmm. I'm not even sure about the origins of the Trojans...a Japheth-derived people? Connected or not connected to the Iranian migrations?

Also, there's a chance that they are more a remnant of Phoenicians rather than Trojans. Or not?

Sinclair said:

Historically the "out of Iran" belief was pretty well accepted in people's own oral traditions and records regarding Scythians. When modern "science" starts to try to give a different story than what was historically known, there's usually something being hidden. Why disregard it without explanation as to why people would have largely believed in an origin that was false? Seems like the reply to that usually boiled down to "people made up crap back in the day".

There are Scandinavians who claim Troy as their origin. Could be that Basques were a group that stayed in that region when others traveled north but not sure on that.

As i understand it, they migrated to the Scandinavian regions after the Trojan war and the location was in the region of Turkey. Trojans may actually be of maternal Phoenecian ancestry, (probably through Europa). They would be hyrbid - a branch of the same family Merovingians derive from.

I see. I wonder if mtdna group H is represented by Europa. This is the dominant maternal haplogroup among Europeans, something like 42-45% of all European-derived people. 

What were the Trojans paternally derived from? R1 Japheth lineages? Pardon me if I get a touch annoying...lol

The European genetic structure I take it is mostly unchanged since the Iranian migrations westward? A blending of Trojans and Iranics? Interesting stuff to digest.


Sinclair said:

As i understand it, they migrated to the Scandinavian regions after the Trojan war and the location was in the region of Turkey. Trojans may actually be of maternal Phoenecian ancestry, (probably through Europa). They would be hyrbid - a branch of the same family Merovingians derive from.

Whoops, did not take into account Tiras, son of Japheth. I suppose some japhetic lines in Europe where not connected to later “Aryan” peoples, even if Trojans mingled with nephil lines (apart from the obvious nephil contribution of Phoenicia). 

Paternal haplogroup R is represented by about half of European men and surely must be connected to aryan speech , Scythian horseriding culture, and other influences. For reference, iranic  speaking middle easterners and North Indian Brahmins have large amounts of R as well. Most non-Indian, non Persian/other Iranics in the Middle East have much lower R, and the group is traditionally absent among east and southeast Asians. Amerindians interestingly have some R1a- this may be early R1a and not connected to Europeans. 

Nearly forgot, R is well represented by Turkic-speakers...although the bearers  of Turkic languages probably, I don’t guess, had much less if any R...these r-bearers must be from earlier iranic-speakers, who indeed dominated Central Asia prior to Turk expansion from the northeast.

Whats the other half of European male haplogroups? Ydna “I” is a significant group in Europe, being more numerous than R in regions of Scandinavia. It’s related somehow to ydna “J” and interestingly, “I” is confined to Europe. It also is high in the Balkans.

Ydna “G” today peaks in the Caucasus, and was carried by the so called first farmers in “Neolithic” Europe. It’s been noted by researchers that by the middle of the “Neolithic”, the greater bulk of G’s in Europe dropped down rather starkly. It still exists in Europe as a usually pretty rare group.

naturally, there are others, and some variation in frequency from region to region. 

sorry about all that...I suppose this would have been better-suited as an entry into my Haplogroups post. Blessings.


WeightofAudio said:

I see. I wonder if mtdna group H is represented by Europa. This is the dominant maternal haplogroup among Europeans, something like 42-45% of all European-derived people. 

What were the Trojans paternally derived from? R1 Japheth lineages? Pardon me if I get a touch annoying...lol

The European genetic structure I take it is mostly unchanged since the Iranian migrations westward? A blending of Trojans and Iranics? Interesting stuff to digest.


Sinclair said:

As i understand it, they migrated to the Scandinavian regions after the Trojan war and the location was in the region of Turkey. Trojans may actually be of maternal Phoenecian ancestry, (probably through Europa). They would be hyrbid - a branch of the same family Merovingians derive from.

Also, Europa had three sons who were not fathered by a human and any human ancestor of that creature was allegedly born pre-flood and not a descendant of Noah.

WeightofAudio said:

Whoops, did not take into account Tiras, son of Japheth. I suppose some japhetic lines in Europe where not connected to later “Aryan” peoples, even if Trojans mingled with nephil lines (apart from the obvious nephil contribution of Phoenicia). 

Paternal haplogroup R is represented by about half of European men and surely must be connected to aryan speech , Scythian horseriding culture, and other influences. For reference, iranic  speaking middle easterners and North Indian Brahmins have large amounts of R as well. Most non-Indian, non Persian/other Iranics in the Middle East have much lower R, and the group is traditionally absent among east and southeast Asians. Amerindians interestingly have some R1a- this may be early R1a and not connected to Europeans. 

Nearly forgot, R is well represented by Turkic-speakers...although the bearers  of Turkic languages probably, I don’t guess, had much less if any R...these r-bearers must be from earlier iranic-speakers, who indeed dominated Central Asia prior to Turk expansion from the northeast.

Whats the other half of European male haplogroups? Ydna “I” is a significant group in Europe, being more numerous than R in regions of Scandinavia. It’s related somehow to ydna “J” and interestingly, “I” is confined to Europe. It also is high in the Balkans.

Ydna “G” today peaks in the Caucasus, and was carried by the so called first farmers in “Neolithic” Europe. It’s been noted by researchers that by the middle of the “Neolithic”, the greater bulk of G’s in Europe dropped down rather starkly. It still exists in Europe as a usually pretty rare group.

naturally, there are others, and some variation in frequency from region to region. 

sorry about all that...I suppose this would have been better-suited as an entry into my Haplogroups post. Blessings.


WeightofAudio said:

I see. I wonder if mtdna group H is represented by Europa. This is the dominant maternal haplogroup among Europeans, something like 42-45% of all European-derived people. 

What were the Trojans paternally derived from? R1 Japheth lineages? Pardon me if I get a touch annoying...lol

The European genetic structure I take it is mostly unchanged since the Iranian migrations westward? A blending of Trojans and Iranics? Interesting stuff to digest.


Sinclair said:

As i understand it, they migrated to the Scandinavian regions after the Trojan war and the location was in the region of Turkey. Trojans may actually be of maternal Phoenecian ancestry, (probably through Europa). They would be hyrbid - a branch of the same family Merovingians derive from.


Yes, this is logical. I only have more and more questions...lol...For other times perhaps.

Im nearly certain that H must be from Europa, or if not, perhaps U5? A lot of interesting mysteries in the world, with a one objective Truth ...
Sinclair said:

Also, Europa had three sons who were not fathered by a human and any human ancestor of that creature was allegedly born pre-flood and not a descendant of Noah

I’m gonna shift any future discussion about much of what was previously discussed here to my Haplogroup thread. I think I’ve hijacked this one enough...lol..

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